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The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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It's sad how people still believe Russian propaganda, and these claims have been constant throughout the war: - We didn't bomb the civilians, that was Ukraine. - The torture chambers weren't ours, they were found in Ukraine. - Ukraine are nazis (no comments on the Russian white supremacists in the military). - We did not blow up Nord Stream 2, that was Ukraine (or the US). - We did not blow up the dam, that was Ukrai…

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Who benefits the most from the collapse? Does it disturb Ukraine or Russian military the most? Who will achieve military goals because of this? Does it help Ukraine in information warfare? (does it increase West participation to war)

Not really benefits anyone's offensive or defensive plans. Maybe political but that's a stretch. No one comes out with prepared narrative too, which makes it look like an accident.

It has already caused loud cry from EU politicans, before we even know the reason.

President of the European Council: "The destruction of civilian infrastructure clearly qualifies as a war crime - and we will hold Russia and its proxies accountable."

https://twitter.com/CharlesMichel/status/1665971118354710529

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Sad how a genocidal terrorist state can still exist in this day and age.

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Vladimir Vladimirovich is going to be remembered as the next Adolf Stalin and for a good reason. Post-1945 world is not magically immune to the emergence of such people in power. Grey morality, especially with regards to genocidal dictators, is a myth that the West fell into because Germany had to be quickly whitewashed into being a NATO ally. Hence the "clean Wehrmacht" myth, the Rommel myth, and more. Now this cognitive distortion plays out with regards to Russia and their crimes, "oh they can't be completely evil, nobody can be completely evil anymore", when that is just a myth. Sometimes we can see the same distortion with regards to China, too.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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post #82

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It's sad how people still believe Russian propaganda, and these claims have been constant throughout the war: - We didn't bomb the civilians, that was Ukraine. - The torture chambers weren't ours, they were found in Ukraine. - Ukraine are nazis (no comments on the Russian white supremacists in the military). - We did not blow up Nord Stream 2, that was Ukraine (or the US). - We did not blow up the dam, that was Ukrai…

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>This also leaves the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in danger of having no cooling left, the same Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant that

It does not work like that, the plant is in cold shutdown and has all the water it needs. Also, the water is taken from the bottom of the reservoir/river.

>had been shelled by Ukrainians in the lest six to eight months with not even a slap on the wrist from the Westerners.

You forgot to add that it was shelled with magical shells that flip always flip when hitting the ground, making it look like russians did it! The same with donetsk buildings getting hit from southeastern side! Satanic technology.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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No, it's a scorched earth tactic, in preparation to abandoning Crimea. Without this dam, Crimea will be without water for at least next 3 to 5 years after Ukraine recaptures it.

This is tactical, not terroristic. Flooded rivers and drained reservoirs are harder for armies to cross than developed riverside real estate. This eliminates the Dnipro as an invasion route and allows Russia to concentrate on defending the north. Putin may not care much about Crimean civilians but he's not going to go through all this trouble just to make them suffer.

Terrorism always has a cold, tactical calculation behind it, to achieve some goal.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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You’re not going to have a reasonable discussion on this topic here. The last time I brought up my personal history living and working in Donetsk and the views of my neighbors and friends, I was emailed and texted multiple times by users here to “kill myself”.

Your comment isn’t adding anything to discussion. If you have anything to say about the topic - you should say it.

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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The benefit near the flood will be in weeks to months. That is if Ukrainian forces were concentrated elsewhere based on a plan to burst the dam. If they win on other fronts they can turn attention south by that time Crimea will have not had fresh water for months and the forces will be depleted and demoralised. This could be a major factor in the new offensive. But will require careful planning (if that didn't happen…

There is a bridge to Crimea, they will bring in water like they used to do when it was cut after 2014 (even when there was no bridge yet). They made huge reservoirs in Crimea. The canal is mostly for water used by agriculture, and it will be a problem in years to come, not this year. And definitely not for troops. The canal is a tiny detail.

Oh that bridge Ukraine has previously blown up?

To be honest, I see the resolution more to do with securing better grain deal security.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Constant surprise how many pro Russian views there are from a mainly American audience on a tech website. I'm anti war, anti the US going into Iraq for example. Therefore I'm on the side of Ukraine here and we should give any support necessary for them to defend themselves. No "provocation" that happened or has been made up or imagined by Russia excuses what they're doing. There are plenty of political reasons I don'…

You’d think everyone in the US can align with Ukraine on this. Peaceful orientation: Russia started it Warlike orientation: Ukraine winning this thing would defeat a major US rival Budget conscious: sending $1 to Ukraine does more to cement US hegemony than sending it to the DoD Social justice types: Russia has a horrific record on the human rights of anyone who isn’t Putin Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of th…

>Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of the USSR, is trying to align itself more with the Western way of doing things and Russia is violently trying to stop them

The biggest meme amongst conservatives now is how west all sucks. Amazing how quickly that spread. Reagan would be disgusted with traitors that calls themselves Republicans nowadays.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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The fact it's timed with the first day of the counter offensive and it's been long discussed as a very likely target for Russia that would be one hell of a coincidence.

It's been shelled for months probably by all parties at some point > Ukraine's Armed Forces (UAF) "developed a tactic to work around that limitation by conducting multiple precision strikes across the key Antonivskiy Bridge and the road that ran atop the Kakhovka Dam in such a way as to break the roadways in a line across them, rendering them unusable without actually destroying the bridges' infrastructure (or badly…

Dam wasn't shelled, roadway was on the side pretty far from dam.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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No, it's a scorched earth tactic, in preparation to abandoning Crimea. Without this dam, Crimea will be without water for at least next 3 to 5 years after Ukraine recaptures it.

Russia will never give up crimea. In fact it 'always' practically belonged to Russia. Their most important naval base is there for decades.

> Russia will never give up crimea. In fact it 'always' practically belonged to Russia. Their most important naval base is there for decades.

Maybe they shouldn’t have built their most important naval base in a foreign country then proceeded to invade that country lol.

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