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Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by mostlysimilar »

_1feg wrote: post #99
IAmGraydon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep i…

That's exactly what's happening here. This is guaranteed to be a psy op. And the fact that all of this is happening now amid these insanely accelerating advancements in AI tech is not a coincidence. Soon (if not already) they will be able to generate an entire backstory for an "advanced alien race", coupled with AI generated imagery, video, audio and whatever else with barely any effort.

Okay, for what purpose?

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Post by King-Aaron »

speakfreely wrote: post #55

While the content sounds good, the context is off. Here's the top domains of the first page of Google results when you Google this officer's name: debrief.org, nysun.com, dailystar.co.uk, dailymail.co.uk, the-sun.com, brobible.com, ar15.com, dailywire.com, m4carbine.net These are the same sites I would expect to see blurry pictures of Big Foot. Unless we're assuming that the Department of Defense is capable of suppre…

On one hand, I thought the same initially, that all the sources seem like typical tabloids.

On the other hand, it may be that more 'trustworthy' organisations are doing some level of due diligence before republishing this.

If nothing surfaces in the larger outlets in the next 24-48 hours it probably is just the first thing.

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Post by blazespin »

_1feg wrote: post #99
IAmGraydon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep i…

That's exactly what's happening here. This is guaranteed to be a psy op. And the fact that all of this is happening now amid these insanely accelerating advancements in AI tech is not a coincidence. Soon (if not already) they will be able to generate an entire backstory for an "advanced alien race", coupled with AI generated imagery, video, audio and whatever else with barely any effort.

So basically, your rebuttal is that it's not this crazy thing, it's this other very crazy thing.

Ok...

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Post by King-Aaron »

ashesharma wrote: post #67

I feel bad for the whistleblower … unless he smuggled a piece out of the UFO or takes a guided tour of UFOs with our brightest scientists taking measurements, no one is going to take him seriously . Further may risk pushing the topic into more incredulity

It does sound like the guy was the head of the pentagon's UAP taskforce, and also a senior high level advisor to the president. Not taking him seriously might be the wrong approach?

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Post by lb4r »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #37

Companion article on how they have fact-checked all this: https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founde...

So no fact-checking was done about their actual claims, only about who the people behind those claims actually are?

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Post by jl6 »

Loquebantur wrote: post #46
PKop wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could simply be lying, pushing a propaganda message of the state. Why would you without evidence believe he is being truthful whatsoever? There is geopolitical advantage to making the world think you have advanced weapons tech, or that it exists and has to be found somewhere.

I do not "believe" anything if I can help it. Here, the guy has supporting testimony from a whole array of decorated people in important positions. The context checks out. To assume he was "lying" is what is preposterous. You frame the events as if some noname-guy came up in a vacuum claiming incredible stuff. That is not at all what is happening. You not knowing about all that and not even recognizing that this circ…

Given the history of this subject, it’s not unreasonable to assume that a mundane explanation like “he’s lying” is more likely than the extraordinary explanation of a worldwide decades-long conspiracy theory.

I mean, I hope it’s true. Aliens would be cool. But we’ve been here before.

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Post by markus_zhang »

Some thoughts:

> It has since been reorganized and expanded into the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations of objects operating underwater.

This is a piece of important information. They probably have proof that there are interesting objects moving undersea or out of sea.

> His on-the-record statements were all “cleared for open publication” on April 4 and 6, 2023, in documents provided to us.

This basically means Mr. Grusch is not alone. He was probably "ordered" by his faction to go public. And the fact that the material gets cleared means that probably the ruling military faction approves it, but mainstream media, mostly serving other factions, refused to go public with the material. In fact, chief of CIA visited Beijing last month. Did they discuss anything about this?

> a number of potential sources do not trust the leadership of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office established by Congress.”

Who is this leadership? I suspect this is a civilian who knows nothing about this, thus not trusted.

> The existence of complex historical programs involving the coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials, dating back to the early 20th century, should no longer remain a secret

God if this is true, I cannot imagine the span of the whole project globally. Was Tunguska the very first one?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

markus_zhang wrote: post #74

This reads like X-File season 13. I hope some of it is true. Real life is too boring amd frustrating.

I think that's part of why such stories get traction. Real life is boring. People want something more. When something comes along, they hope it's true, and motivated reasoning comes in.

This same mechanism can explain AI hope.

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Post by phyalow »

lisasays wrote: post #23
Loquebantur wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is blatant ignorance. More specifically, you are entirely ignoring the context here. > Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record. > The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a vetera…

That's not evidence. That's hearsay. Fragments, please. Or photos, or at least reasonably credible scientific reports describing these fragments. Or at least something resembling, you know -- first-hand evidence . Otherwise there's nothing to talk about here. Can't believe I have to explain this on HN.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-ga...

There, is a Stanford Professor good enough for you?

This is also referenced in the article: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237309319_On_Events...

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