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Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by nradov »

Loquebantur wrote: post #38
lisasays wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Sure, let's have people come forward and show us what they got, or what they've seen. Until then -- all I'm saying is: C'mon, people -- hold your horses. We're scientists here, after all.

This guy is doing exactly that, coming forward and showing what he's got. What you are is unclear to me.

This guy (David Charles Grusch) has come forward. He is not yet showing us anything. I eagerly await him showing some actual artifacts, or at least authenticated documents and images of such artifacts. Until then this is a big nothingburger.

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Post by [deleted] »

lisasays wrote: post #30
blazespin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's expert testimony. I can't believe I have to explain that on HN...

By someone with no scientific credentials whatsoever -- and who presents no evidence. I mean sure -- he's a great guy, and has served his country and all. But still.

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Post by sowbug »

lisasays wrote: post #30
blazespin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's expert testimony. I can't believe I have to explain that on HN...

By someone with no scientific credentials whatsoever -- and who presents no evidence. I mean sure -- he's a great guy, and has served his country and all. But still.

Witness testimony is evidence. You don't have to believe him, but it is specious to reject a witness's testimony primarily on the grounds that it is not evidence.

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Post by MattGaiser »

blazespin wrote: post #27

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence. Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.

Former Canadian Minister of Defense made a ton of alien claims while he was alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...

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Post by speakfreely »

While the content sounds good, the context is off. Here's the top domains of the first page of Google results when you Google this officer's name:

debrief.org, nysun.com, dailystar.co.uk, dailymail.co.uk, the-sun.com, brobible.com, ar15.com, dailywire.com, m4carbine.net

These are the same sites I would expect to see blurry pictures of Big Foot. Unless we're assuming that the Department of Defense is capable of suppressing every major news outlet?

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Post by monkeynotes »

lisasays wrote: post #29
capableweb wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth remembering that if in 2010 you claimed that the US government was spying on everyone via everything, you'd be called a conspiracy-nut, we now know that it was true, what so many people were claiming before that. I agree that probably there needs to be more evidence than "trust me, I've done this for a long time" in order for us to assert there is extra-terrestrial intelligence. But, I wouldn't believe it's fal…

Worth remembering that if in 2010 you claimed that the US government was spying on everyone via everything, you'd be called a conspiracy-nut, we now know that it was true, what so many people were claiming before that. For one thing your assumption here just isn't true. You might have been called that in major media outlets -- but within the tech community it had been widely acknowledged (since the late 90s or so) th…

> might have been called that in major media outlets -- but within the tech community it had been widely acknowledged...

There is a huge UAP community of believers. I don't see why a community belief makes it more legitimate. It's speculation until you have hard evidence, for the NSA thing that evidence was a whistleblower, what's the difference here??

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Post by IAmGraydon »

Loquebantur wrote: post #48
IAmGraydon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep i…

Nothing of what you claim there is true to begin with. People encountering this topic have a weird tendency to take their own lack of knowledge as "proof" for inexistence of anything worthwhile. You cannot claim to be an "expert"(in itself a term only referring to human knowledge) in something without actually having checked with other experts in the field.

Oh good so there is material evidence of this occurring. Eagerly awaiting your post with links to said evidence.

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by Loquebantur »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #57
Loquebantur wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing of what you claim there is true to begin with. People encountering this topic have a weird tendency to take their own lack of knowledge as "proof" for inexistence of anything worthwhile. You cannot claim to be an "expert"(in itself a term only referring to human knowledge) in something without actually having checked with other experts in the field.

Oh good so there is material evidence of this occurring. Eagerly awaiting your post with links to said evidence.

Your claim was

> There is not a single sample of material.

There are multiple. Maybe look here for starters:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-ga...

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Post by elric »

kunalgupta wrote: post #10

Insane, but totally believable "a[n eighty year] Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages."

How many of these crashes are there? Did these aliens fly halfway across a galaxy just to crash in our neck of the woods? Are they flying around in cheap junk? Or are they just terrible pilots? All those special vehicle morphologies and unique atomic arrangements just to crash land. Odd.

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by Loquebantur »

MattGaiser wrote: post #54
blazespin wrote: post #27

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence. Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.

Former Canadian Minister of Defense made a ton of alien claims while he was alive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...

And "even" HN commenters ressort to stupid rhetoric tricks when out of arguments.

The existence of outlandish sounding but unsubtantiated claims remotely similar to the one on topic here is not indicative of anything.

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