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Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by graderjs »

Rzor wrote: post #11

What irks me about all this is that it remained a "secret" quite well guarded for so long (and he characterizes as a global phenomenon, so gigantic surface area for public scrutiny/whistle-blowing)[1], but then I remember the PRISM program/Snowden revelations and I don't know what to think. Perhaps it's also valid to consider that it might be a top secret US aircraft that he judged to be of alien origin and no one in…

But it wasn't secret. The narrative has been out there for ages but covered in disinformation so you can't see it properly. The disinformation caused people to see it as ridiculous, as was intended, so they ignored previous government whistleblowers with the same story.

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Post by graderjs »

Pompidou wrote: post #82

This claim is to common sens what tirany is to common good. If such absurdity become official, what is the next step ?

Well if common sens is based on the disinformation provided by a tyranical illegal secret structure, then waht? Heh

Maybe you need to update your common sense. Make it uncommon sense, then it will be useful. :)

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Post by graderjs »

spfzero wrote: post #15
lisasays wrote: post #13

Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of uniq…

Its hard to imagine so many people could have known about this for so long, yet it remained secret. I expect you could keep something like an assassination secret since everyone who knows about it is probably in some way complicit. Wouldn't be the case here. Also of course the energy required to get to Earth from somewhere else, for an organism that used any kind of "vehicle" we could recognize as such, would be enor…

It wasn't secret. It was covered in disinformation so you would dismiss it, as you have, until it was officially confirmed, like it seems to be now. Previous government insiders have come forward with the same story, but have been dismissed, and the whole topic seen as crazy, because the carefully crafted disinformation counterintelligence campaign was working as intended.

That, along with black special access programs (like described in the article), covered with classified programs, is how you keep it, not secret, but "partially occluded."

The question is not: how? But: why? The answer is because they were afraid and in denial because it challenged their authority, and they wanted us to be in the same fear and denial, because then they can maintain "control".

Maybe now it's shifted. And that's good. Not because everybody gets to know there's aliens, but because the governing corporate superstructure is choosing to no longer continue to act like scared little idiots. And I think that will be better for all of us.

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Post by [deleted] »

blazespin wrote: post #24
lisasays wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not evidence. That's hearsay. Fragments, please. Or photos, or at least reasonably credible scientific reports describing these fragments. Or at least something resembling, you know -- first-hand evidence . Otherwise there's nothing to talk about here. Can't believe I have to explain this on HN.

No, it's expert testimony. I can't believe I have to explain that on HN...

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Post by graderjs »

lisasays wrote: post #30
blazespin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's expert testimony. I can't believe I have to explain that on HN...

By someone with no scientific credentials whatsoever -- and who presents no evidence. I mean sure -- he's a great guy, and has served his country and all. But still.

Well, he is an expert on the subject matter, so....like, what are you an expert on? He he he :)

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Post by graderjs »

Loquebantur wrote: post #17
lisasays wrote: post #13

Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of uniq…

That is blatant ignorance. More specifically, you are entirely ignoring the context here. > Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record. > The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a vetera…

I think it's great that there's corroborating witnesses. But, you know, shows us the evidence. Show us you got something. Show us you're not all just talk. What are you afraid of? Show us.

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Post by motohagiography »

graderjs wrote: post #79
motohagiography wrote: post #68

Whether it's true or not, there are some predictable consequences to a mainstream "proof of aliens" scenario: - for national governments, the choice to accept revealing the existence of aliens now would be an implied endorsement of the current world order. e.g. everything has changed, we need to suspend new changes until we know more. Looks bad for elections. - it is a reason to dispense with rules and limits on sove…

Nah man, if that were true, governments & corporate would have revealed the existence of aliens when they first knew about them. Rather than playing an elaborate counterintelligence cover game, pretending they have advanced projects reverse engineering, creating technology, a secret space program, to give the illusion of control and knowledge about some thing they don’t understand, they can’t reproduce, and they have…

If this story goes into more mainstream outlets, it's pretty clear it's just an attention distraction they can turn on and off like a tap to keep people watching the news confused. The only interesting question (or trade) to me is what this alien narrative is a pretext for.

What I am 100% sure of is that if aliens existed, they could have chosen to reveal themselves at any time, there is no concievable civilization that could consider our current order worthy of endorsement, and that to human power, power is everything and the only thing. You can't imagine how some of them suffer without it.

So even if aliens existed and the artifacts were real, if this story gets into mainstream rotation, there is zero chance it is anything other than a diversion tactic for another significant politcal event.

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by _1feg »

BS. They're just paving the way for them to claim their AGI systems are "aliens" after they regulate AI through the roof, so that they can herd the masses and maintain their reign of power. Probably create a new religion while they're at it too. With AI image, video and sound generation, there will be no way to tell the difference between an "alien" and some sophisticated neural network outputs. It's no coincidence that this sort of "leak" is happening right now amid all of the AI buzz, regulation talk and breakthroughs in AI tech.

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Post by _1feg »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #47
blazespin wrote: post #27

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence. Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep i…

That's exactly what's happening here. This is guaranteed to be a psy op. And the fact that all of this is happening now amid these insanely accelerating advancements in AI tech is not a coincidence. Soon (if not already) they will be able to generate an entire backstory for an "advanced alien race", coupled with AI generated imagery, video, audio and whatever else with barely any effort.

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Post by _1feg »

graderjs wrote: post #79
motohagiography wrote: post #68

Whether it's true or not, there are some predictable consequences to a mainstream "proof of aliens" scenario: - for national governments, the choice to accept revealing the existence of aliens now would be an implied endorsement of the current world order. e.g. everything has changed, we need to suspend new changes until we know more. Looks bad for elections. - it is a reason to dispense with rules and limits on sove…

Nah man, if that were true, governments & corporate would have revealed the existence of aliens when they first knew about them. Rather than playing an elaborate counterintelligence cover game, pretending they have advanced projects reverse engineering, creating technology, a secret space program, to give the illusion of control and knowledge about some thing they don’t understand, they can’t reproduce, and they have…

Nah man, it's true because now they have the capacity to generate all of this fake garbage at the press of a button. They could never have pulled it off before in a convincing way. If the entire planet is going to be unified under a single authority that takes its orders from "aliens", it best be convincing. That's the direction we're headed.
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