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This guy is doing exactly that, coming forward and showing what he's got. What you are is unclear to me.
This guy (David Charles Grusch) has come forward. He is not yet showing us anything. I eagerly await him showing some actual artifacts, or at least authenticated documents and images of such artifacts. Until then this is a big nothingburger.
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"Hearsay" is a derogatory term used to disparage evidence. It is entirely unscientific, as evidence is not ignored solely based on the messenger. You have to thoroughly evaluate the context, regardless of your personal preconceptions. The guy has done a seven hour interview with Ross Coulthart, that is due to come out this week. He is reported to have such photos, documents, etc. This story is bigger than Watergate b…
Watergate had tapes, reams of documents - and riveting testimony under penalty of perjury. When we have that on the table in regard to this matter -- we'll have something to talk about. As it stands now -- we have nothing.
Your attempts to relativize that with nonsensical "Let's put the cart before the horse and our heads in the sand"-arguments are misleading.
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Former Canadian Minister of Defense made a ton of alien claims while he was alive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...
And "even" HN commenters ressort to stupid rhetoric tricks when out of arguments. The existence of outlandish sounding but unsubtantiated claims remotely similar to the one on topic here is not indicative of anything.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Former Canadian Minister of Defense made a ton of alien claims while he was alive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...
And "even" HN commenters ressort to stupid rhetoric tricks when out of arguments. The existence of outlandish sounding but unsubtantiated claims remotely similar to the one on topic here is not indicative of anything.
> When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this?
A former Canadian Minister of Defense did.
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This guy (David Charles Grusch) has come forward. He is not yet showing us anything. I eagerly await him showing some actual artifacts, or at least authenticated documents and images of such artifacts. Until then this is a big nothingburger.
The mere circumstance of a person with his career going on record with such claims is a great deal and clearly indicative of something really unusual happening.
And yet, when you actually listened to what the guy was saying ...
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Of course evidence would be much better (though I'm not sure what kind of evidence I would actually trust). But if the story is true, it makes sense that we're not seeing anything: given that they're talking about an arms race with other countries, the US would not want to show any details that adversaries might not already know. Since the US government looked over everything they wouldn't allow actual evidence to be…
So lack of evidence it itself -- a form of evidence? I'm not sure what to say to that.
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#67unless he smuggled a piece out of the UFO or takes a guided tour of UFOs with our brightest scientists taking measurements, no one is going to take him seriously . Further may risk pushing the topic into more incredulity
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#68- for national governments, the choice to accept revealing the existence of aliens now would be an implied endorsement of the current world order. e.g. everything has changed, we need to suspend new changes until we know more. Looks bad for elections.
- it is a reason to dispense with rules and limits on sovereign powers that were created without this key ontological knowledge. Aliens are the ultimate existential emergency, states will do what they want "for humanity." Your privileges are a from a world that no longer exists, etc.
- even if it's a hoax, elevating aliens to official news seizes back lost official narrative control, which twitter had made untenable this weekend.
- Worst case scenario, it would imply a mandate from "above" to do whatever the coordinating body behind this revelation might have planned.
Whether this alien thing is true or not, any mainstream acceptance of an alien visitation can be interpreted a signal for co-ordination around a narrative that would very likely be in service to these objectives, imo.
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#69While the content sounds good, the context is off. Here's the top domains of the first page of Google results when you Google this officer's name: debrief.org, nysun.com, dailystar.co.uk, dailymail.co.uk, the-sun.com, brobible.com, ar15.com, dailywire.com, m4carbine.net These are the same sites I would expect to see blurry pictures of Big Foot. Unless we're assuming that the Department of Defense is capable of suppre…
The other journalist that has interviewed the whistleblower is Ross Coulthart, the award-winning investigative journalist who published interviews with Nat Kobitz, former US Navy Science and Tech Director, who claimed to have knowledge of a program to reverse-engineer crashed UFOs.
The people who are breaking these news can't be dismissed easily.
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#70Insane, but totally believable "a[n eighty year] Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages."
How many of these crashes are there? Did these aliens fly halfway across a galaxy just to crash in our neck of the woods? Are they flying around in cheap junk? Or are they just terrible pilots? All those special vehicle morphologies and unique atomic arrangements just to crash land. Odd.