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> which would you take with you on a one way trip to a desert island? How long are we going to be there?
well, given that it is a one way trip, that’s largely up to you and your travel companion.
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Yes they are partner level. How many 50 year old lawyers has your firm hired recently? Ones who haven't advanced to partner?
To be clear I'm not saying this never happens (hiring of mid level 50 year olds), I'm just saying it's just as rare as in tech. I don't think I'm imagining this, it's a pretty well established statistic that after 50 job participation rates begin to fall.
I perceive the lateral market for 50 year-old non-partners to be robust and I believe the market for first year lawyers is vastly more challenging. I myself would vastly prefer age and experience in a lawyer to the billable hour vigor of youth.
Do you participate in either or both of those markets? Let’s put it this way: I intentionally left the old tech guy market and I can tell you the old law guy market had no problem supporting me. I am not a partner and (if you believe my boss) I’m not very skilled.
Re: The planning of U.S. physician shortages (2020)
#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be clear I'm not saying this never happens (hiring of mid level 50 year olds), I'm just saying it's just as rare as in tech. I don't think I'm imagining this, it's a pretty well established statistic that after 50 job participation rates begin to fall.
I perceive the lateral market for 50 year-old non-partners to be robust and I believe the market for first year lawyers is vastly more challenging. I myself would vastly prefer age and experience in a lawyer to the billable hour vigor of youth. Do you participate in either or both of those markets? Let’s put it this way: I intentionally left the old tech guy market and I can tell you the old law guy market had no pro…
> Do you participate in either or both of those markets?
My wife is a big 4 consultant (international tax). She has worked in almost all of them - E.Y, KPMG etc. Same structure everywhere - a couple of 35-45ish (sometimes 50ish) partners and a bunch of young managers and seniors who do all the work. My wife is now an old 36 manager there. So it seems like you either move up or move out in big 4.
> I myself would vastly prefer age and experience in a lawyer to the billable hour vigor of youth.
I have no argument with you there. I also tend to prefer older devs but it's a personal preference. Anyway we should try to move from an anecdotal discussion.
"According to the SRA, only 8% working at larger law firms are aged 55 to 64, and while the current war for talent has meant law firms have focused on attracting and retaining lawyers early on in their careers, we rarely hear about efforts to recruit and retain older lawyers."
https://www.law.com/international-edition/2022/09/28/silver-...
Re: The planning of U.S. physician shortages (2020)
#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
I perceive the lateral market for 50 year-old non-partners to be robust and I believe the market for first year lawyers is vastly more challenging. I myself would vastly prefer age and experience in a lawyer to the billable hour vigor of youth. Do you participate in either or both of those markets? Let’s put it this way: I intentionally left the old tech guy market and I can tell you the old law guy market had no pro…
> Do you participate in either or both of those markets? My wife is a big 4 consultant (international tax). She has worked in almost all of them - E.Y, KPMG etc. Same structure everywhere - a couple of 35-45ish (sometimes 50ish) partners and a bunch of young managers and seniors who do all the work. My wife is now an old 36 manager there. So it seems like you either move up or move out in big 4. > I myself would vast…
I’m going to chalk this up to micro markets, I think. I get recruited harder now than I did as computer.guy and I’m that many years older thanks to taking a break for law school. My passing familiarity with Accenture means I understand what you’re saying about the big four. One factor I wonder if you’re taking into account is that there aren’t a lot of law firms as big as the big four accounting firms. Maybe the situation you (and that law.com article ) are detailing is how it is in big law right now, where I am not?
Re: The planning of U.S. physician shortages (2020)
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> Do you participate in either or both of those markets? My wife is a big 4 consultant (international tax). She has worked in almost all of them - E.Y, KPMG etc. Same structure everywhere - a couple of 35-45ish (sometimes 50ish) partners and a bunch of young managers and seniors who do all the work. My wife is now an old 36 manager there. So it seems like you either move up or move out in big 4. > I myself would vast…
I’m going to chalk this up to micro markets, I think. I get recruited harder now than I did as computer.guy and I’m that many years older thanks to taking a break for law school. My passing familiarity with Accenture means I understand what you’re saying about the big four. One factor I wonder if you’re taking into account is that there aren’t a lot of law firms as big as the big four accounting firms. Maybe the situ…
It's definitely possible different smaller law offices have different vibes yes, just like not all tech companies are the same. I think the trend I'm describing IS accurate though. Anyway I'm happy for you it's not affecting you!
Re: The planning of U.S. physician shortages (2020)
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OK. Guess I read it opposite. Your wording of choice, seemed to imply there was a choice. I missed a negative, so you are saying, a lot of people do NOT have a choice. I guess then, I agree. A lot of people have very limited choices, and in tech we have slightly more choices. I'd just disagree with the degree of choice. In Tech we have more choice, I'd say that isn't much more. If there is some arbitrary scale of cho…
> In Tech we have more choice, I'd say that isn't much more. Ok. Then our main disagreement is whether a household income of $400k grants significantly more freedom than a household income of $150k. I'd argue that it indeed does.
See that is the disconnect. Who in tech has a household income of 400K except for the rarefied top people at a FAANG. I'm saying that is like <5% of total Tech workforce. The argument isn't between 400K and 150K, it is between 150K and 70K. There are a vast number of people in tech at <100K$. So who making 100K can retire at 50. It is possible with the right choices to live very minimally to the point where you could argue it isn't really a choice. The real misunderstanding is the number of people that think Tech=400K.
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> A 50 year old non-management programmer? Look forward to having 23 year olds asking if you know what an array is for the rest of your work life. Fuck. That made anxious. I am close to that age. Also, my middle manager friends are having much harder time finding a job than programmer types. Don't know if its just them or if its a trend.
A.I is gonna change the job market so deeply I wouldn't worry much. It's futile to worry, we simply don't know what's coming we only know it will change everything.
Quoting ('someone's on the Internet' (-) Messages I read in the last days...):
"And, because the bosses don't want to raise wages?
This is why AI hype is big right now. There's a lot of companies hoping to hawk a snake-oil 'solution' to lower productivity that doesn't require raising wages.
Given that most government accounting is single entry and most macro (-economic-solution) does not really recognise the role of money in the economy, this is in itself quite revolutionary stuff
It's pretty sickening to see how much money is allocated in developed Capitalist economies to (disturbing-kick people-) scams like AI.
On June 15 a session titled 'The New World Economy — Not Global, But Interconnected' will take place as part of the business program on the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum 2023
'It is about an authoritarian communist regime that gave up communist economic policy, but not in other segments. But... It's still a communist country'
> They were told they were building a castle, but instead they built a prison.
The industry term is 'golden handcuffs.'"
...maybe and i hope so there is something to learn from regards...