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At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by johnklos »

moffkalast wrote: post #137
johnklos wrote: post #107

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I'm using several original BCM2835 Raspberry Pis and Pi Zeros (original) to compile pkgsrc packages for NetBSD on earmv4 and earmv5 because the newer ARM CPUs won't run anything below earmv6. There are some instructions the newer CPUs don't support that'd need to be emulated. With a USB attached SSD, they're quite reliable and run for many months at a time, compiling non-stop with no issues.

Yeah anything older than the Pi 3 with armv7 is also more or less unusable in terms of OS deps, since there just aren't many package releases being maintained for v6 and below.

I'm using them precisely to make packages available for them, so I don't think it's fair at all to say they're unusable.

The OS is fully, 100% supported, so we're not even talking about that. See:

http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/arm/

The number of packages available is decent and is only improving:

https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/earmv4/

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by moffkalast »

johnklos wrote: post #141
moffkalast wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah anything older than the Pi 3 with armv7 is also more or less unusable in terms of OS deps, since there just aren't many package releases being maintained for v6 and below.

I'm using them precisely to make packages available for them, so I don't think it's fair at all to say they're unusable. The OS is fully, 100% supported, so we're not even talking about that. See: http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/arm/ The number of packages available is decent and is only improving: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/earmv4/

Ah I'm not talking about NetBSD there specifically, mainly Ubuntu and Debian since that's what I typically use. But in general the OS support isn't very good.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by johnklos »

moffkalast wrote: post #142
johnklos wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using them precisely to make packages available for them, so I don't think it's fair at all to say they're unusable. The OS is fully, 100% supported, so we're not even talking about that. See: http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/arm/ The number of packages available is decent and is only improving: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/earmv4/

Ah I'm not talking about NetBSD there specifically, mainly Ubuntu and Debian since that's what I typically use. But in general the OS support isn't very good.

You're replying to a post about NetBSD ;)

Your statement, "But in general the OS support isn't very good," would be better framed as "But in general the Linux OS support isn't very good," because OS support for pre-earmv7hf and pre-aarch64 is excellent in NetBSD.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by _ea1k »

Roark66 wrote: post #42

>"...should began this July..." Seriously? Should? How. Many. Times. Have we heard it already? In the timeless words of George W Bush Junior "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Wait, I can't be fooled again!" No way I'm going to get hopeful here and then pi locator will show one pi zero 2 W in entire Europe, in the one shop in Belgium the owner of refuses to ship out of his country... How many cool open sour…

The last I remember was them saying that they thought things would be in good shape by the end of 2023. I'm pretty sure I heard that about 6 months ago.

This announcement seems to be consistent with that. Not only that, but I'm seeing more availability now than earlier this year.

I see no need to call them liars.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by moffkalast »

johnklos wrote: post #143
moffkalast wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah I'm not talking about NetBSD there specifically, mainly Ubuntu and Debian since that's what I typically use. But in general the OS support isn't very good.

You're replying to a post about NetBSD ;) Your statement, "But in general the OS support isn't very good," would be better framed as "But in general the Linux OS support isn't very good," because OS support for pre-earmv7hf and pre-aarch64 is excellent in NetBSD.

Yep, I think we understand each other now.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by dingledork69 »

xony wrote: post #125
dingledork69 wrote: post #78

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> Then it really has; there being a supply in the UK isn't exactly useful to most of the world. There being a shortage in the US isn't exactly relevant to most of the world.

lol , nowhere its available.

I've bought several over the past few years, including during the pandemic, without any issues from some local distributors in the EU.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by dingledork69 »

t43562 wrote: post #115
dingledork69 wrote: post #77

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I thought the raspberry pi was meant to be an educational diy system? Prioritizing businesses over hobbyists seems to go against that.

Lots of small businesses sprang up that used it - perhaps some of them were even started by hobbyists. If they didn't get their supply it would have cause a loss of jobs and hardship. The Pi Foundation decided to help those people keep their jobs during COVID etc which seems to be the clear moral choice.

They surely could have pivoted to an alternative, potentially creating more jobs in the progress. Most commercial raspberry pi projects should be microcontrollers anyway, and certainly not be running on the sdcard.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by t43562 »

dingledork69 wrote: post #147
t43562 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of small businesses sprang up that used it - perhaps some of them were even started by hobbyists. If they didn't get their supply it would have cause a loss of jobs and hardship. The Pi Foundation decided to help those people keep their jobs during COVID etc which seems to be the clear moral choice.

They surely could have pivoted to an alternative, potentially creating more jobs in the progress. Most commercial raspberry pi projects should be microcontrollers anyway, and certainly not be running on the sdcard.

Obviously they didn't think so - whereas hobbyists can do so too and have no risks to worry about.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by Dylan16807 »

rcarmo wrote: post #133
Dylan16807 wrote: post #124

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Prices over $100 are not really competing with Pis.

For a living room/desktop use case, where you’d have to buy a case and storage, they are.

A pi case is $3 plus shipping.

If my goal was attaching several terabytes I'd be even less inclined to spend $120 rather than $40 on the computer, but for living room/desktop use case half a terabyte is plenty and only costs $30. So that's $150 vs. $70 total.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by michrassena »

whiskers wrote: post #134
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #128

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AFAIK Pimoroni have had those "existing customer" measures in place for some months for the Pi boards; it's not a new measure. It's a good way of resisting scalpers, IMO. As is allocating some of the stock to the "essentials kits" that most new customers actually need anyway (particularly Pi 4B customers; the official USB-C PSU is one of the few safe bets).

This is correct, and we have been able to ease up on the restrictions a bit recently: - we reset the date before which you needed to have a previous order - the Pi Zero W is now available to all customers up to 10 per order I appreciate it's been frustrating but things are improving and will continue to improve - you'll see a lot change over the next couple of months I'm sure. We've done our best during this time to…

I've ordered something now to at least get in the queue for the next time. Hopefully by then, some Zero 2 boards will be available.
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