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At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Not sure if rpis are that relevant as of now when there are so many other, usually more performant and overall compelling offers in the same form factor and upstream support to a certain degree.

The RPis is ubiquitous for cheap and plentiful supply while not being the most performant. Their widespread availability and support makes them the de facto base model for almost all cheap electronics projects nowadays.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Each time this topic comes up, some broad threads emerge: - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particularly supply-constrained in the UK until about five or six months into the pandemic. Yeah, som…

> - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? And Pi isn't even supported fully in upstream kernel! And it's so much worse in competitors... > The truth is that the Raspberry Pi SBCs are unique because they are the product of their funding model. If you want "more performant" devices that are as good, you might need to fr…

Right. I guess what I mean about "product of their funding model" is that you do not get a seamless, joined-up-design product at this price point, with that much community buy-in, that much documentation etc., without the Raspberry Pi's origin story.

Any number of companies have tried to do this and failed, because you don't get to _here_ by just launching a new commercial, cost-effective, powerful small product and hoping it gets supported. You get to what the Pi is now by starting the way they did.

It sometimes surprises me that the US market, with its many tech billionaires, has not managed to achieve anything similar. To the point that at least one US tech billionaire (Eric Schmidt) has backed the Pi Foundation instead, because it's doing the actual work.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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>"...should began this July..." Seriously? Should? How. Many. Times. Have we heard it already? In the timeless words of George W Bush Junior "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Wait, I can't be fooled again!" No way I'm going to get hopeful here and then pi locator will show one pi zero 2 W in entire Europe, in the one shop in Belgium the owner of refuses to ship out of his country... How many cool open sour…

Not coming back? But they clearly are? Pimoroni was shipping Pi 4Bs last week. It has nothing to do with "burning through the charitable donation money". The Pi is sold by a (profitable, AFAIK) wholly-owned subsidiary, the Raspberry Pi Trading Company. Manufacturing them does not absorb Foundation money at all. They have been supply-constrained on components. It's that simple, surely. Eben Upton has said it again and…

Discontinue 4B? Why?

Should Sony discontinue the PS5 when they failed to supply enough to meet demand?

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Each time this topic comes up, some broad threads emerge: - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particularly supply-constrained in the UK until about five or six months into the pandemic. Yeah, som…

You forgot all the people who forget there are N5095 (and now N100) mini-PCs galore at pretty reasonable prices these days.

Prices over $100 are not really competing with Pis.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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> - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? One of the main options pointed at is low-power x86 boxes, which are better than Pis ever were. The rest of the ARM ecosystem is, I agree, poor . > - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particula…

> Then it really has; there being a supply in the UK isn't exactly useful to most of the world. There being a shortage in the US isn't exactly relevant to most of the world.

lol , nowhere its available.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Not coming back? But they clearly are? Pimoroni was shipping Pi 4Bs last week. It has nothing to do with "burning through the charitable donation money". The Pi is sold by a (profitable, AFAIK) wholly-owned subsidiary, the Raspberry Pi Trading Company. Manufacturing them does not absorb Foundation money at all. They have been supply-constrained on components. It's that simple, surely. Eben Upton has said it again and…

Discontinue 4B? Why? Should Sony discontinue the PS5 when they failed to supply enough to meet demand?

Not sure what you mean about the PS5 unless you've misunderstood what I mean.

The CM4 can do _most_ of the work that the Pi 4 and Pi 400 can do.

A hypothetical future CM5 might feasibly be designed to be the CPU board of a still-tiny Pi 5B, Pi 500 and maybe even a smaller form factor.

The CM units are shipped in a bunch of different varieties, which would allow e.g. schools and consumers to decide which variation of a Pi 5 or Pi 500 they want.

It could eliminate all the "5B" SKUs and allow them to focus on manufacture of fewer SKUs at larger scales.

And this way, the market gets to solve the endless "I wish it had USB-C", "I wish it had two gigabit ethernet ports", "I wish it had two CSI ports", "Nobody serious will use it without some onboard flash" criticisms (that proponents of other SBCs have), with variations of the CM and the host hardware.

There are already some good reasons to buy a CM4 and a host board instead of a Pi 4B.

I wonder if this is a decision that could have been taken two years ago; there were already host boards on the market, and they could have produced one themselves by now.

They were churning out half a million CM4s a month but there was no way to use that to serve the consumer market.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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> Pimoroni was shipping Pi 4Bs last week. How many? Four? Six? Did they go to scalpers as usual?

We shipped thousands last week and we didn't ship them to scalpers: https://shop.pimoroni.com/pages/ordering-restrictions-for-ra... Plenty more will come in short order, the past couple of years have been a real mess on supply chains - it's been hard on all of us.

It looks like it's not possible to order one unless you've ordered something from Pimoroni before 12 May 2023. The only one in stock currently is the Pi Zero. So unfortunately it's still the same story. Yeah, we had lots of stock, but it's gone now and you couldn't order it anyway. I hope it gets better soon, and all this pent-up demand doesn't collapse once stocks are full.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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We shipped thousands last week and we didn't ship them to scalpers: https://shop.pimoroni.com/pages/ordering-restrictions-for-ra... Plenty more will come in short order, the past couple of years have been a real mess on supply chains - it's been hard on all of us.

It looks like it's not possible to order one unless you've ordered something from Pimoroni before 12 May 2023. The only one in stock currently is the Pi Zero. So unfortunately it's still the same story. Yeah, we had lots of stock, but it's gone now and you couldn't order it anyway. I hope it gets better soon, and all this pent-up demand doesn't collapse once stocks are full.

AFAIK Pimoroni have had those "existing customer" measures in place for some months for the Pi boards; it's not a new measure. It's a good way of resisting scalpers, IMO.

As is allocating some of the stock to the "essentials kits" that most new customers actually need anyway (particularly Pi 4B customers; the official USB-C PSU is one of the few safe bets).

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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ARM SBC entry costs have jumped upwards of $100 and low powered Intel machines (used thin clients, nucs, workstations) have become more accessible than ever. When the 4 was brand new, 4 cores/4gb was pretty killer for the entry price. The Pi had an incredible impact but it's pretty obvious it doesn't fit very well into a lot of usecases any more given other options. I hope that over the next few years the Pi foundati…

Yes but when you compare the TDP and compute/watt of such a system compared to an arm sbc it pales in comparison. Being fan-less hence much more compact is another thing they lack as well.

I'd say ADL e-core beelink esque smallboxes for $150 offer good value and decent tdp. No where near pi, but also not like the old Skylake thin boxes, either. We're talking probably sub 65w all in, maybe even closer to 35w.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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post #84

I couldn't get them for use as ambiance devices so I bought some cheap Lenovo Ideapads, they work great.

There are also the ThinkSmart View devices: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2023/04/22/1330

Those look cool, I wasn't aware of them. I feel more comfortable with the laptops since they usually undergo a grueling test cycle at Lenovo. I hook them up to an external monitor which hides their presence and use a wireless air mouse to control them.
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