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At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Discontinue 4B? Why? Should Sony discontinue the PS5 when they failed to supply enough to meet demand?

Not sure what you mean about the PS5 unless you've misunderstood what I mean. The CM4 can do _most_ of the work that the Pi 4 and Pi 400 can do. A hypothetical future CM5 might feasibly be designed to be the CPU board of a still-tiny Pi 5B, Pi 500 and maybe even a smaller form factor. The CM units are shipped in a bunch of different varieties, which would allow e.g. schools and consumers to decide which variation of…

I see your point. Perhaps they will move in that direction given time.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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I haven't been able to buy one in New Zealand for years now, at any price.

To be fair, isn't that pretty normal for electronics in AU/NZ? I've been watching Hardware Unboxed for years and they're always lamenting how hard it is to get parts to review.

No, that's not accurate.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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You forgot all the people who forget there are N5095 (and now N100) mini-PCs galore at pretty reasonable prices these days.

Prices over $100 are not really competing with Pis.

For a living room/desktop use case, where you’d have to buy a case and storage, they are.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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It looks like it's not possible to order one unless you've ordered something from Pimoroni before 12 May 2023. The only one in stock currently is the Pi Zero. So unfortunately it's still the same story. Yeah, we had lots of stock, but it's gone now and you couldn't order it anyway. I hope it gets better soon, and all this pent-up demand doesn't collapse once stocks are full.

AFAIK Pimoroni have had those "existing customer" measures in place for some months for the Pi boards; it's not a new measure. It's a good way of resisting scalpers, IMO. As is allocating some of the stock to the "essentials kits" that most new customers actually need anyway (particularly Pi 4B customers; the official USB-C PSU is one of the few safe bets).

This is correct, and we have been able to ease up on the restrictions a bit recently:

  - we reset the date before which you needed to have a previous order
  - the Pi Zero W is now available to all customers up to 10 per order
I appreciate it's been frustrating but things are improving and will continue to improve - you'll see a lot change over the next couple of months I'm sure.

We've done our best during this time to combat the scalpers - no solution is going to be perfect but we did what we felt was right to give our loyal customers as much support as we could.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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I agree completely. I've ranted on this a bit on HN before but in many ways the Raspberry Pi is a victim of its own success. It more or less became the "jack of all trades master of none" for a staggering variety of projects and applications - even when it is far from the best approach. I personally cringe when I see people trying to string together a bunch of drives on a shared USB bus for a NAS application, or tryi…

> I personally cringe when I see people trying to string together a bunch of drives on a shared USB bus for a NAS application, or trying to hack something around the single lane of PCIe or whatever... When by the time you get to kludging that together you could have bought a small used NAS with drive bays for equivalent or less cost that would be at least an order of magnitude faster and significantly more reliable.…

We're in agreement. From my original post, one sentence after your quote:

> For whatever reasons the "look for a thin client on eBay" approach was never going to kick off the explosion of these self-hosting options and projects. So we should all be very thankful of the Raspberry Pi for that.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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ARM SBC entry costs have jumped upwards of $100 and low powered Intel machines (used thin clients, nucs, workstations) have become more accessible than ever. When the 4 was brand new, 4 cores/4gb was pretty killer for the entry price. The Pi had an incredible impact but it's pretty obvious it doesn't fit very well into a lot of usecases any more given other options. I hope that over the next few years the Pi foundati…

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Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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I have a few of the model B version that was released in 2012, somewhere in my basement. I’m not even sure how usable these would be today.

I'm using several original BCM2835 Raspberry Pis and Pi Zeros (original) to compile pkgsrc packages for NetBSD on earmv4 and earmv5 because the newer ARM CPUs won't run anything below earmv6. There are some instructions the newer CPUs don't support that'd need to be emulated. With a USB attached SSD, they're quite reliable and run for many months at a time, compiling non-stop with no issues.

Yeah anything older than the Pi 3 with armv7 is also more or less unusable in terms of OS deps, since there just aren't many package releases being maintained for v6 and below.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Each time this topic comes up, some broad threads emerge: - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particularly supply-constrained in the UK until about five or six months into the pandemic. Yeah, som…

> - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? One of the main options pointed at is low-power x86 boxes, which are better than Pis ever were. The rest of the ARM ecosystem is, I agree, poor . > - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particula…

Can you give some examples of the low-power x86 boxes? As of my last knowledge update :) none of them took off

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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I feel like the Raspberry Pi foundation hasn't met its objective of computers being accessible to everyone (eg. children). The Pi itself is prohibitively expensive, and it looks like they cater to companies first. Arduino and it open sourcing the hardware meant very cheap but less powerful SBCs. I hope to see something in a similar vein from them.

Until there was a chip shortage, they really did meet that obligation. The decision that nobody likes that they had to take, surely, was to try to preserve the commercial ecosystem that exists around their products, not least because a) it helps them achieve the economies of scale that make the devices cheap, and b) so many of those commercial products have educational implications. The Foundation is quite literally…

> And the Foundation's goal is more about access to computing _education_

A couple of months ago I attended a talk given by Eben Upton. He talked through the history of the entire RPi initiative, starting with his observation that Computer Science admissions at Cambridge University were falling away at quite an alarming rate, and how that inspired the whole thing.

Before attending the talk, I had understood the proposition to be that a cheap home computer put into the hands of kids might spark some natural curiosity, like what happened during the 80s and early 90s home microcomputer era, which would then ultimately lead to more tech-literate kids who would go on to study Computer Science and ultimately have careers in the field.

I'm not sure this was wrong, but it definitely wasn't the whole story.

Eben described the work of the foundation, and it's far more extensive than I had any appreciation for whatsoever. For example, both domestically and internationally the foundation are heavily involved in teacher training, and have played a role in developing curriculum across the globe to further or even initiate IT/CompSci education.

The structure of the Foundation and Trading, he explained, was the most appropriate vehicle under UK tax rules for funding charitable educational work with commercial enterprise. I'm probably simplifying this massively but in essence the flow of profits/dividends/whatever up from the for-profit Trading arm to the charitable Foundation helps to pay for the significant amount of educational work that Foundation does around the world.

I hadn't appreciated many of the forms of educational work that the foundation are involved in at all.

From this perspective, it is perhaps easier to hold a charitable view of Eben's comments around preferential stock availability for small businesses. In the position that they have been in, whereby they're going to sell every unit produced easily whatever the channel, and keeping in mind funding the education goals of the foundation, I think it's entirely reasonable to also help keep some small businesses afloat along the way at the expense of hobbyists.

Prior to this talk, I think my blind spot had been that the entire mission was to put cheap home microcomputers into the hands of kids around the world. I can understand that throttling this home or hobbyist supply in favour of commercial sales takes a bit more to interpret charitably.

But the Foundation is doing so much more than that, and that was entirely lost on me, that failing to fulfill hobbyist market demand no longer looks to me like failing in the original mission.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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> - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation? One of the main options pointed at is low-power x86 boxes, which are better than Pis ever were. The rest of the ARM ecosystem is, I agree, poor . > - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particula…

Can you give some examples of the low-power x86 boxes? As of my last knowledge update :) none of them took off

HP T620 is one of the popular ones.
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