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Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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They claim the current wheat yield is 3.3 tons/hectare while the new variety has yield 10 tons/hectare, about a 3x difference. What impact does this have on the micronutrient profile of the harvested crop? And does this result in faster depletion of those micronutrients from the soil, i.e. is it sustainable to harvest this crop?

Yields of most plants are higher in the tropics: there is more sunlight, more water, and no frost. Wheat, historically, hasn't been able to benefit from this as it wasn't adapted to the climate. Most minor minerals are present in plants to the tune of 0.001% by weight or less. We extract many times as much manganese, chromium, copper etc as the metal as we would from the soil. Selenium is generally postulated as the…

Total yields may be higher in the tropics but Alaska gets 20 hours of summer sun and can grow freakishly huge vegetables.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/08/20/341884706/wh...

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

#152
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Him calling himself that for political points is extremely different than being one. Lula is not a communist, he hasn't been since his first 2 terms between 2002-2010. He embraced completely the "Third Way" of social-democracy, which means it is completely enveloped by the frame of neoliberalism. Banks made a killing during 2002-2010, how would a communist be supportive of the finance industry? It's shocking to me yo…

If he doesn't look like a communist to you, it's only because brazilian society applied some brakes on him. It's not for a lack of trying. 2010 you say? Let's remember: https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2010/05/presidente-alt... Let's see... Relativization of private property, media censorship, taxes on accumulated capital, religious persecution. Wow, literally the same talking points that surfaced in last year's…

> Let's see... Relativization of private property, media censorship, taxes on accumulated capital, religious persecution.

This is red-scare rhetoric, not communism.

> Who cares?

Anyone trying to have a discussion/debate about ideologies, like what you are trying to do. Words have meaning, in a discussion this meaning matters. If you don't care, then you don't care for the discussion, you are just soapboxing.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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post #152

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If he doesn't look like a communist to you, it's only because brazilian society applied some brakes on him. It's not for a lack of trying. 2010 you say? Let's remember: https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2010/05/presidente-alt... Let's see... Relativization of private property, media censorship, taxes on accumulated capital, religious persecution. Wow, literally the same talking points that surfaced in last year's…

> Let's see... Relativization of private property, media censorship, taxes on accumulated capital, religious persecution. This is red-scare rhetoric, not communism. > Who cares? Anyone trying to have a discussion/debate about ideologies, like what you are trying to do. Words have meaning, in a discussion this meaning matters. If you don't care, then you don't care for the discussion, you are just soapboxing.

> This is red-scare rhetoric, not communism.

It's not "rhetoric" at all, it's literally what he's doing. His strategy has always been to slowly install socialism small bits at a time so that nobody notices. Therefore it's obvious what his objective is when he starts saying you should have to "mediate" with someone who invades your private property instead of having access to the justice system or the right to use force. Why can't you see?

> Anyone trying to have a discussion/debate about ideologies

It's the 21st century, we don't "debate" communism anymore. I'm not at all interested in the academic difference between these terms. They're history. The whole problem is we got these fools trying to install this cancer in my country in the first place.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

#154
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That's bullshit, sorry.

Sigh. Is it news to you that this guy's a socialist? He literally called himself "a refined socialist" last year before the elections. Why do I have to keep reminding people of this fact? He literally founded a forum for south american communists to gather and discuss how to install this cancer everywhere. There's fucking decades old videos of him talking about installing socialism in Brazil. It's seriously tiresome…

Sigh. Socialism is not a synonym for communism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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he s gonna reply that democrats and republicans swapped party so the republicans are the racists. the tired tropes of finding reality in twisting history so that it can back up what the hivemmind tells you. lula is a communist, always has been, people seem to forget what he did.

Yeah. It's honestly quite shocking to me that people don't seem to know he's a socialist. As recently as last year, he said words like "the state should determine what citizens need to survive" in front of a camera, literal communist speech on its own and it gets even worse if you consider the complete context of the video. And yet people are incredulous. Every single time that I mention it in passing, the thread degenerates into me bringing up old facts about brazilian politics as if it was news because otherwise I look like an idiot in public. People try to gaslight me and call me a moron for taking the guy's words and actions seriously.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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It's a totalitarian oligarchy which is the usual outcome of socialist revolutions. It life's of resources (a surplus of labour force) as it's internal structure prohibit advancing up the economic ladder.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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> Fertilizers: The largest world food producer needs imported fertilizers. The irony: our main supplier is Russia. This basically prevents Brazil taking any side in the conflict and affects our (and our buyers) food prices as much as wheat. No, it means you can’t take a position without paying a cost. A lot of countries used to depend on Russia for various things, and they have paid a price to change this.

Brazil is not Europe. It’s not going to be some minor inconvenience like having people to take cold showers and virtual signal on the internet. There will be famine and the poorest people will die.

Interesting, I've never heard the impact to Europe reduced to cold showers and "virtual signal on internet"

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

#158
post #154

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Sigh. Is it news to you that this guy's a socialist? He literally called himself "a refined socialist" last year before the elections. Why do I have to keep reminding people of this fact? He literally founded a forum for south american communists to gather and discuss how to install this cancer everywhere. There's fucking decades old videos of him talking about installing socialism in Brazil. It's seriously tiresome…

Sigh. Socialism is not a synonym for communism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Whatever. I'm not wasting a single brain cell trying to figure out the academic difference between them. They're history.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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> Fertilizers: The largest world food producer needs imported fertilizers. The irony: our main supplier is Russia. This basically prevents Brazil taking any side in the conflict and affects our (and our buyers) food prices as much as wheat. No, it means you can’t take a position without paying a cost. A lot of countries used to depend on Russia for various things, and they have paid a price to change this.

Brazil is not Europe. It’s not going to be some minor inconvenience like having people to take cold showers and virtual signal on the internet. There will be famine and the poorest people will die.

> Brazil is not Europe. It’s not going to be some minor inconvenience like having people to take cold showers and virtual signal on the internet. There will be famine and the poorest people will die.

I don't get your point. Where do you see this fundamental difference between Brazil and Europe? Europe was highly dependant on Russia for it's energy supply, to the point that Putin was hoping to leverage that to conduct his genocide of Ukraine unopposed, and Europe successfully shed that dependence on a dime.

In your opinion, what stops Brazil from finding alternatives to Russia imports?

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

#160
post #128

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> Fertilizers: The largest world food producer needs imported fertilizers. The irony: our main supplier is Russia. This basically prevents Brazil taking any side in the conflict and affects our (and our buyers) food prices as much as wheat. No, it means you can’t take a position without paying a cost. A lot of countries used to depend on Russia for various things, and they have paid a price to change this.

> A lot of countries used to depend on Russia for various things, and they have paid a price to change this. And now they depend on US for the same things paying a much bigger price. Some countries never learn.

> And now they depend on US for the same things paying a much bigger price.

What? Germany is now reporting record drops in it's energy prices.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/energy-costs-german-hou...

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