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Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by anthk »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #129
anthk wrote: post #123

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That's bullshit, sorry.

Sigh. Is it news to you that this guy's a socialist? He literally called himself "a refined socialist" last year before the elections. Why do I have to keep reminding people of this fact? He literally founded a forum for south american communists to gather and discuss how to install this cancer everywhere. There's fucking decades old videos of him talking about installing socialism in Brazil. It's seriously tiresome…

I'm from Spain. Lula it's closer to our current social-democratic goverment than communism. It just happens that you are so right-leaned that you don't even realize what are you looking at.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by anthk »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #129
anthk wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's bullshit, sorry.

Sigh. Is it news to you that this guy's a socialist? He literally called himself "a refined socialist" last year before the elections. Why do I have to keep reminding people of this fact? He literally founded a forum for south american communists to gather and discuss how to install this cancer everywhere. There's fucking decades old videos of him talking about installing socialism in Brazil. It's seriously tiresome…

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Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by anthk »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #93
foobarian wrote: post #57

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Why don't the states there organize into a southern United States? It feels silly to talk about self-sufficiency and all when the analog at country level is the USA states. Nobody would expect e.g. Rhode Island to feed itself, but thankfully there is the Midwest. Maybe Bolivar's dream could come true one day.

The geography really makes it hard to create a cohesive whole. The rainforest is almost impossible to traverse by road. It doesn’t help that the two largest countries, Brazil and Argentina, speak different languages. It’s hard to bring people together when they speak different languages and have to take a plane or cross difficult terrain to meet each other.

From a Portuguese speaker learning Spanish it's a breeze.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by matheusmoreira »

piva00 wrote: post #138
matheusmoreira wrote: post #133

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You're saying I can't call Lula, the guy who called himself a "refined socialist" not even a year ago, a communist. Really now. Guess I'm gonna insist on looking dumb then. It's shocking to me that the fact he's a communist is news to people. If you really believe this guy... Go ahead and give him your Amazon subsidies. Watch him spend it on absolutely critical matters like massive raises for the supreme court judges…

Him calling himself that for political points is extremely different than being one. Lula is not a communist, he hasn't been since his first 2 terms between 2002-2010. He embraced completely the "Third Way" of social-democracy, which means it is completely enveloped by the frame of neoliberalism. Banks made a killing during 2002-2010, how would a communist be supportive of the finance industry? It's shocking to me yo…

If he doesn't look like a communist to you, it's only because brazilian society applied some brakes on him. It's not for a lack of trying.

2010 you say? Let's remember:

https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2010/05/presidente-alt...

Let's see... Relativization of private property, media censorship, taxes on accumulated capital, religious persecution. Wow, literally the same talking points that surfaced in last year's elections.

Yeah, you're seriously mistaken if you think this guy isn't a communist. And that article is from 2010, the media wasn't so friendly to him back then. Now that same media backs him and he also has supreme court judges backing his every move...

Let's just say I'm glad you were able to leave this place. I'm genuinely happy for you. I would have left too but my family refused to come with me and I didn't have the heart to leave them behind.

> And socialism is not communism.

Who cares?

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by PoignardAzur »

leonidasv wrote: post #88
randomdata wrote: post #34

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> Nevertheless, we still need imported wheat. Ukraine war and dollar variations literary affect our bread. This would happen imports or not. So long as wheat exports are allowed, the local price will settle on the world price as the product is able to flow to the highest bidder. An event like the Ukraine war will impact someone and that will drive the world price up.

Brazil government runs a company called Conab that acts as a "buffer stock" for grains. It buys, stores and sells grains in large quantities in a continuos fashion, so the government can soften market fluctuations for those commodities over time.

That's fascinating. I've wondered for a while whether governments did that. Seems like a common sense precaution for preserving your country's food security.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by matheusmoreira »

anthk wrote: post #142
matheusmoreira wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Is it news to you that this guy's a socialist? He literally called himself "a refined socialist" last year before the elections. Why do I have to keep reminding people of this fact? He literally founded a forum for south american communists to gather and discuss how to install this cancer everywhere. There's fucking decades old videos of him talking about installing socialism in Brazil. It's seriously tiresome…

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Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by matheusmoreira »

anthk wrote: post #141
matheusmoreira wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Is it news to you that this guy's a socialist? He literally called himself "a refined socialist" last year before the elections. Why do I have to keep reminding people of this fact? He literally founded a forum for south american communists to gather and discuss how to install this cancer everywhere. There's fucking decades old videos of him talking about installing socialism in Brazil. It's seriously tiresome…

I'm from Spain. Lula it's closer to our current social-democratic goverment than communism. It just happens that you are so right-leaned that you don't even realize what are you looking at.

I know exactly what I'm looking at: a communist. The brazilian government as a whole might not actually amount to a communist state but it's certainly not for a lack of trying on his part.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by marcodiego »

gexla wrote: post #63
marcodiego wrote: post #26

There are a few things that would make Brazil a lot more stable economically (and even socially and politically) if we achieved self-sufficiency: Fossil fuels: Currently, Brazil is self-sufficient in oil, but we export petrol to buy back refined fuels (gasoline and diesel). If we were self-sufficient in fossil fuels we would be much more immune to inflation every time OPEC decides to reduce oil output. Wheat: We are…

> Wheat: We are the top of the world exporting foods. We produce 6x our current need. What? Source? Just some rough Google search results seem to consistently show China as #1 in production and the US being #1 in exports (and in the top 3 for production.) The first result I found showed Brazil as #4. Maybe you're ultimately correct, but you should show a source when making those claims (I'm not trying to make a claim…

"Brazil produces food for 1.6 Billion" [1] Our population is 250 million; that's probably where the 6x comes from. I don't have a source saying 6x but the "Brazil produces food for 1.6 Billion" is easy to find from many reliable sources; just a google search away.

With regards to "largest food exporter", I stand corrected. The correct is "the largest net exporter in the world" [2] of "of agricultural commodities and related food products".

[1] - "Brasil produziu comida para 1,6 bilhão" - https://brazillab.org.br/noticias/brasil-produziu-comida-par...

[2] - https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/september/brazil-s...

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by retinaros »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #146
anthk wrote: post #142

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he s gonna reply that democrats and republicans swapped party so the republicans are the racists. the tired tropes of finding reality in twisting history so that it can back up what the hivemmind tells you. lula is a communist, always has been, people seem to forget what he did.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by retinaros »

cmarschner wrote: post #102
marcodiego wrote: post #26

There are a few things that would make Brazil a lot more stable economically (and even socially and politically) if we achieved self-sufficiency: Fossil fuels: Currently, Brazil is self-sufficient in oil, but we export petrol to buy back refined fuels (gasoline and diesel). If we were self-sufficient in fossil fuels we would be much more immune to inflation every time OPEC decides to reduce oil output. Wheat: We are…

Well, Brazil needs to stop producing oil within at most a generation. Or pay for it.

according to al gore - who became a multi millionnaire if not billionaire thanks to his fake prediction - we are already dead so we might be living in a simulation.
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