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Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by JohnFen »

wodenokoto wrote: post #130
frozenlettuce wrote: post #32

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It's on purpose. The new UI places each post inside a "card". The intent is having you scroll past cards. This makes even text-only posts be similar to image ads posts, and while you scroll you are not aware if the next card is an ad or not. Layouts with heavy information density (as old.reddit.com) are more user friendly, as you they allow you to just scan the list and be done with it. But are bad for ads.

The problem isn’t really the cards. It’s the implementation. If you just reshape shape old.Reddit.com it wouldn’t be a horrible UI/UX. Maybe not great either. Back button is effectively broken with constant reload of front page. 2 links you wanna read? You need to click around carefully especially on mobile if you don’t want the page to reload and show you a different set of stuff.

> The problem isn’t really the cards.

It's also the cards.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by randunel »

tremere wrote: post #8

Reddit is past its expiration date anyway and I'm surprised no one has created a challenger site. Perhaps this was due to Reddit's friendliness toward programmatic access but it seems they are taking that away. This is a good opportunity to create a new community, and essentially take back messaging from the corporations (let's be real about what reddit is) and put it back into the hands of the people.

Communities used to be on specialised forums and blogs. I've watched my favourite specialised blogs turn off comments because of bot spam, and I've watched forums raise the sign up bar and browsing restrictions for similar reasons. Reddit's anti-spam measures plus moderation makes it a much more decent experience.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by gremlinsinc »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #238
lawn wrote: post #78

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I understand that some people think that these changes will "make them more money", but I don't think that you have to destroy the UI to do that. In fact making the UI garbage will chase away users and will make them less money in the long-run, or maybe even run the company into the ground if people starts to migrate to some alternative with non-sucky UI. There's also nothing about the UI that's related to AI.

If the two options are: 1. Make money while preserving the UI 2. Make money while destroying the UI ... then why would anyone bother to preserve the UI? It's completely irrelevant even in the best case scenario. But allow me to present another more cynical: They both hate anything good/competent/well-made, and the users too, and also want to make money. > In fact making the UI garbage will chase away users When I fir…

someone should create a union a content producers and submitters, do that the biggest influencers on Reddit could easily migrate to a clone that's less shitty. it won't happen unless a large enough body leaves Reddit for greener pastures.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by scrollaway »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #198
justaman wrote: post #148

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The moderators of major subreddits are extremely authoritarian. There must be a middle ground between free-for-all and thought police.

Just some racism as long as you don't say the bad words, and light thought policing? It sounds like you want the HN mod policy, which makes sense bc that's where we are. Other sites can have different approaches though.

This isn’t the GP’s point; you’re being unfair to them and not reading their comment in good faith (which ironically is against the HN rules here).

I had a topic about the speed of light on askscience get deleted because the mods weren’t in the right mood that day. There is indeed a middle ground and we aren’t there.

Reddit’s model doesn’t work with what they want to do with the site. And things that worked when it had 1M, 10M users no longer do.

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Post by mrweasel »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #206
zeroego wrote: post #156

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I know the person who was in charge of the redesign. This may sound unbelievable, but she was not a reddit user prior to working at reddit or being put in charge of the redesign. Really nice person, but they did a terrible job.

Everyone here is shitting on it, but to me it looks like it accomplished exactly what reddit wanted, and was wildly successful at doing so. Reddit very successfully moved away from being the techy nerd basement dweller site to becoming a trendy young "normie" people site. Dumb everything down to shoot for the lowest common denominator, maximizing the size of your target demographic. So hiring someone who probably lov…

I think it does what Reddit wants, doom-scrolling. Long interactions with a single post isn't good for revenue.

Personally I don't understand how people can use the new design. My opinion that it's terrible is one thing, but it doesn't even work. For the first few years I repeatably made bug reports, then I just gave up. The "new" design is slow as all hell, the video player doesn't work and if you want to read more than a few comments... well to bad, because 80% of them are buried and you don't get to read them. The redesign is five years old, it has been worked on for longer, and it still doesn't work.

Maybe it has attracted more people, if so, it's the wrong kind, because Reddit has developed into a cesspit of negativity. Everyone appears to have be depressed, poor, angry, hostile towards people not who thinks differently and most seems to be medicated. It not a good place to visit, if you want to keep your sanity. I'd rather debate politics on /b/ on 4chan.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by [deleted] »

chapium wrote: post #169
atyppo wrote: post #117

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Reddit conveniently unchecks the “redirect me to old Reddit” button every ~6 months. Quite annoying. I’ve been using Reddit for ~8-9 years and it’s gotten palpably worse. I knew it was dying the first time I saw an emoji on there. Seems they want to go the way Digg did.

This might be your browser settings because this never happens for me.

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Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by moneywoes »

frozenlettuce wrote: post #32
lawn wrote: post #17

I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI. The site itself is just garbage and the difference between the redesign and old.reddit is just so jarring, and the Android client is also garbage. Are there people who even thinks these designs are good? How do you even end up with something like this? Is it just garbage requirements thrown out by clueless managers? There must be some for…

It's on purpose. The new UI places each post inside a "card". The intent is having you scroll past cards. This makes even text-only posts be similar to image ads posts, and while you scroll you are not aware if the next card is an ad or not. Layouts with heavy information density (as old.reddit.com) are more user friendly, as you they allow you to just scan the list and be done with it. But are bad for ads.

Any further reading? Very insightful post Ty

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Post by rglullis »

plagiarist wrote: post #56
rglullis wrote: post #34

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The amount doesn't really matter. As a thought experiment: how big would the network have to be for you to start considering paying for access? The Fediverse (Mastodon, Misskey, Pixelfed, etc) is already clocking in at around ~10M users. How much do you think it would be a "reasonable" amount for a service provider to charge for an account?

If they're actually providing a service beyond what's available everywhere else, such as actively removing bigoted garbage or more powerful tools to discover high quality content relevant to me, I'd toss them a few bucks a month. Especially now in 2023. I don't think I would have paid even that much in 2010. And certainly not $50 for a newer and smaller network. I get what you're saying. I acknowledge I am an anomaly…

See, that is the problem right there: the things that are "beyond what's available everywhere else" are financed with ads, data mining, or both. I am talking about how much you would pay to have basic access to service. The reason that people don't pay is that everyone wants to add conditions to justify their financial support, and this is why we all end up in the mess we are all in.

Now, let me try again: go to https://communick.com/packages and tell me if you think that what I am charging for the basic access packages is unreasonable.

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Post by peruvian »

justaman wrote: post #148
Pxtl wrote: post #143

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> insane moderation policies and narrow ideology What, did you prefer the site in the days of the Chimpire? Jailbait? Reddit's history has been the perfect case-study in the downsides of a libertarian approach to moderation. They've come to where they are now because every other approach resulted in horrifying racism, sexual exploitation, disinformation, and abuse.

The moderators of major subreddits are extremely authoritarian. There must be a middle ground between free-for-all and thought police.

This sounds like mods in any forum, except maybe HN. It's not a reddit problem.
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