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Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by Semaphor »

ryanmercer wrote: post #41
pantulis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is only allowing 3rd party access to Reddit subscribers, to avoid the need to monetize through ads. If Reddit is asking 12000$ for 50M requests, then a regular Reddit user (344 reqs/day) would be paying around 2,5$/month, which seems more reasonable than putting the burden on the 3rd party developer.

>would be paying around 2,5$/month, Which is less than I pay for premium. If more people would just, I dunno, pay for services they use regularly, Reddit wouldn't have a problem.

I used to pay for Reddit, but they kept getting more and more user-hostile to the point that the use I got out of it was accidental.

To give just the most recent example: They PMd everyone in Germany about their great new subreddits (Big US subs with the names translated to German), filled with bots posting successful posts and comments from those big subs, auto-translated.

Yeah, that’s a quirky anecdote when Reddit started 17 years ago, it’s a lot less quirky when you do it now.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by zulban »

taytus wrote: post #42
lawn wrote: post #17

I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI. The site itself is just garbage and the difference between the redesign and old.reddit is just so jarring, and the Android client is also garbage. Are there people who even thinks these designs are good? How do you even end up with something like this? Is it just garbage requirements thrown out by clueless managers? There must be some for…

"I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI" Do you mean like... HN?

HN is missing lots of features. That's not UI. The HN UI is pretty good.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by api »

lawn wrote: post #17

I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI. The site itself is just garbage and the difference between the redesign and old.reddit is just so jarring, and the Android client is also garbage. Are there people who even thinks these designs are good? How do you even end up with something like this? Is it just garbage requirements thrown out by clueless managers? There must be some for…

If they remove old.reddit I'm done. The new design is awful for actually reading anything. If I want my brain sucked out with a dental vacuum I'll use TikTok.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by pierat »

ryanmercer wrote: post #41
pantulis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is only allowing 3rd party access to Reddit subscribers, to avoid the need to monetize through ads. If Reddit is asking 12000$ for 50M requests, then a regular Reddit user (344 reqs/day) would be paying around 2,5$/month, which seems more reasonable than putting the burden on the 3rd party developer.

>would be paying around 2,5$/month, Which is less than I pay for premium. If more people would just, I dunno, pay for services they use regularly, Reddit wouldn't have a problem.

That's only part of the problem.

All the moderators are unpaid 'workers'. And their quality can be abhorrent to the extreme.

Basically reddit is the perfect example of getting people to contribute content and work for free. And when people are run off, so does your content and your moderators.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by Sakos »

zulban wrote: post #52
taytus wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI" Do you mean like... HN?

HN is missing lots of features. That's not UI. The HN UI is pretty good.

I'd say his comment is the perfect example of why Reddit's new UI is the way it is. Features = good UI, apparently.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by plagiarist »

rglullis wrote: post #34
plagiarist wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't that $50? That was kindof a silly amount of money for the state of the internet and the size of the platform.

The amount doesn't really matter. As a thought experiment: how big would the network have to be for you to start considering paying for access? The Fediverse (Mastodon, Misskey, Pixelfed, etc) is already clocking in at around ~10M users. How much do you think it would be a "reasonable" amount for a service provider to charge for an account?

If they're actually providing a service beyond what's available everywhere else, such as actively removing bigoted garbage or more powerful tools to discover high quality content relevant to me, I'd toss them a few bucks a month. Especially now in 2023. I don't think I would have paid even that much in 2010. And certainly not $50 for a newer and smaller network.

I get what you're saying. I acknowledge I am an anomaly in being willing to pay at all. I just wonder if maybe it was the wrong time ($50 was certainly and still the wrong price IMO) for a paid social network to be successful. Perhaps it could work today with a small subscription.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by iLoveOncall »

As much as I hate the new design on web and never use it, I don't really have a problem with the app and I found the alternatives I tried to be sub-par.

What's everyone's deal with the app? Beside the removal of ads of course, which is understandable but undefendable.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by interestica »

zulban wrote: post #52
taytus wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI" Do you mean like... HN?

HN is missing lots of features. That's not UI. The HN UI is pretty good.

Do you use HN on mobile?

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by coev »

jerpint wrote: post #31
lawn wrote: post #17

I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI. The site itself is just garbage and the difference between the redesign and old.reddit is just so jarring, and the Android client is also garbage. Are there people who even thinks these designs are good? How do you even end up with something like this? Is it just garbage requirements thrown out by clueless managers? There must be some for…

If you go to the front page without logging in, you’ll quickly notice the target demographic is teens/young adults. The redesign makes a lot more sense with that context

Reddit's target demo has been that range for over a decade, it's just that the users from last decade got older.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Post by jollofricepeas »

lawn wrote: post #17

I don't understand how a popular product like Reddit has so atrociously bad UI. The site itself is just garbage and the difference between the redesign and old.reddit is just so jarring, and the Android client is also garbage. Are there people who even thinks these designs are good? How do you even end up with something like this? Is it just garbage requirements thrown out by clueless managers? There must be some for…

1. Reddit isn’t a non-profit.

I’m not sure why it’s user base doesn’t seem to understand this. They have to make UI changes to make money. It’s either that or everyone pays for subscriptions.

2. The AI threat is real.

It’s not even remotely fair that the large tech players of the world get to train their models on others content for cheap. It’s sad what’s happening to Apollo but they need to beef with Microsoft and Google. Reddit does not owe that guy a cheap pipe.

It’s no different from any other situation where market conditions shift and impact existing models.

Yes, it sucks but welcome to capitalism.

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