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How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

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Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

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Post by smcl »

m2fkxy wrote: post #43
Helmut10001 wrote: post #5

Why is there such a movement for making maps with R? The python ecosystem has more and better packages for making maps already. Notwithstanding that there are indeed some nice results, this new R toolchain movement towards maps feels like a waste of open source energy to me.

The mapmaking R ecosystem absolutely has been around for ages, and from a cartographer's point of view it is better suited at making actual maps than Python.

As a non-cartographer, but someone who loves maps (who doesnt?) and programming is there anything in particular that makes R more suitable than Python? Not trying to start a Python/R flame war, genuinely curious as an outsider if there's some secret sauce that R has but which Python lacks.

Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

#52

Post by smcl »

trabant00 wrote: post #48
smcl wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it's voted up because people found the comment interesting. It could have just been "I found a route following a given rule and wrote a blog on it, here's a link if you're interested" but your comment seems determined to turn it into a politics argument. Meanwhile there is a more interesting subthread exploring an interesting historical and geological reason behind why some of the counties in question leaned…

"Avoid Republican-voting counties" was completely apolitical before I came in. This is an actual argument you thought makes sense. Ok...

The topic involves a political party, so no it's never going to be "completely apolitical". But that's not what I said - I said that you're the one who seemed keen to kick off an argument about politics. Also you complained about being miserable, if you don't seek out conflict you won't be so miserable.

Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

#54

Post by m2fkxy »

smcl wrote: post #51
m2fkxy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mapmaking R ecosystem absolutely has been around for ages, and from a cartographer's point of view it is better suited at making actual maps than Python.

As a non-cartographer, but someone who loves maps (who doesnt?) and programming is there anything in particular that makes R more suitable than Python? Not trying to start a Python/R flame war, genuinely curious as an outsider if there's some secret sauce that R has but which Python lacks.

IMO it mostly boils down to good practices in symbology, projection, legend, scaling, etc. being better implemented and easy-to-use for the map maker.

ggplot2 is an obvious heavy-weight, but other packages such as mapsf and tmap also are top notch in this regard.

on the other hand, my general map making experience in Python has not been very pleasant when I had to work towards creating a map following acceptable cartographic practices, ie. anything beyond throwing data on a webmap layer with subpar legend and symbology.

Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

#55

Post by trabant00 »

smcl wrote: post #52
trabant00 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Avoid Republican-voting counties" was completely apolitical before I came in. This is an actual argument you thought makes sense. Ok...

The topic involves a political party, so no it's never going to be "completely apolitical". But that's not what I said - I said that you're the one who seemed keen to kick off an argument about politics. Also you complained about being miserable, if you don't seek out conflict you won't be so miserable.

I am an european who clicked on some topic about maps routing only to be greeted by the freaking US politics again. Specifically the side that makes everything political, argues that everything is and should be political, but then pretends that the political shit that comes out their keyboard is somehow not political until I point it out.

And I said by doing this you make online discussions miserable, not that I myself am miserable. If you aim to derail the argument with personal attacks in the form of keyboard psychoanalysis - reading comprehension is very much required.

Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

#56

Post by refulgentis »

trabant00 wrote: post #55
smcl wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The topic involves a political party, so no it's never going to be "completely apolitical". But that's not what I said - I said that you're the one who seemed keen to kick off an argument about politics. Also you complained about being miserable, if you don't seek out conflict you won't be so miserable.

I am an european who clicked on some topic about maps routing only to be greeted by the freaking US politics again. Specifically the side that makes everything political, argues that everything is and should be political, but then pretends that the political shit that comes out their keyboard is somehow not political until I point it out. And I said by doing this you make online discussions miserable, not that I myse…

May I humbly suggest coming back to the thread in a couple hours or tomorrow? There’s gotta be a language barrier thing here, you’re being extremely argumentative at length about a noun being used.

This last comment extends, at an uncomfortable level, the politics argument and name calling you started and you’re accusing others of, for no discernible reason.

Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

#57

Post by mulletbum »

trabant00 wrote: post #55
smcl wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The topic involves a political party, so no it's never going to be "completely apolitical". But that's not what I said - I said that you're the one who seemed keen to kick off an argument about politics. Also you complained about being miserable, if you don't seek out conflict you won't be so miserable.

I am an european who clicked on some topic about maps routing only to be greeted by the freaking US politics again. Specifically the side that makes everything political, argues that everything is and should be political, but then pretends that the political shit that comes out their keyboard is somehow not political until I point it out. And I said by doing this you make online discussions miserable, not that I myse…

"Specifically the side that makes everything political, argues that everything is and should be political, but then pretends that the political shit that comes out their keyboard is somehow not political until I point it out."

You might have gotten too much internet sun this week, throw some ointment on it and stay in the shade. You are the only person going political in this thread.

Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

#58

Post by arunharidas »

exp1orer wrote: post #8

Vaguely related, a few years ago I made a map of "how to drive from SF to NYC while passing through the minimum number of Republican-voting counties": https://github.com/louispotok/blue-road-trip

These are kind of people who inject fear mongering among the other people.

Re: How to make fancy road trip maps with R and OpenStreetMap

#59

Post by smcl »

trabant00 wrote: post #55
smcl wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The topic involves a political party, so no it's never going to be "completely apolitical". But that's not what I said - I said that you're the one who seemed keen to kick off an argument about politics. Also you complained about being miserable, if you don't seek out conflict you won't be so miserable.

I am an european who clicked on some topic about maps routing only to be greeted by the freaking US politics again. Specifically the side that makes everything political, argues that everything is and should be political, but then pretends that the political shit that comes out their keyboard is somehow not political until I point it out. And I said by doing this you make online discussions miserable, not that I myse…

If seeing a pretty innocuous comment triggers this kind of response, then you might need to take a breather from the comments. Or click the `[-]` button to hide the reply if you don't want to. But engaging like this is about as productive as having an argument with a brick wall, it's not doing you any good.
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