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Own-goal football (2022)

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Re: Own-goal football (2022)

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Post by 7373737373 »

One other weird thing: When a soccer player who is not a goalkeeper prevents a goal by catching the ball with their hands, they "just" get a red card and the attacking team a penalty, even if they would have certainly scored otherwise.

Luis Suarez successfully used this in the 2010 World Cup quarter-finals in the Uruguay vs Ghana game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM-29hy-Qyw - Ghana missed the penalty, which led to a penalty shootout, which Uruguay won.

Skimming through the laws of the game (https://downloads.theifab.com/downloads/laws-of-the-game-202...) I do wonder whether a trainer and up to 4 other players (because a team which can field less than 7 players forfeits the game) climbing on the crossbar until it breaks could be advantageous in some situation as well since

> If it cannot be repaired the match must be abandoned.

Very unsportsmanlike indeed.

Re: Own-goal football (2022)

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Post by buildbot »

ghaff wrote: post #6
barbazoo wrote: post #2

> Football has a lot of strange rules – like Ted Lasso, I still don’t understand exactly how the offside rule works. Spoiler alert, he did figure it out in the end

Every now and then, it seems as if some referees are a bit unclear on the details as well. (It is admittedly a bit squishier than when there is a hard and fast line on some field or court.

It’s always somewhat nonplussing (grammer?) when people say they are unclear on it. If you are past the last defender, on the opposing side of the field, when the ball is kicked to you, offsides.

It’s hard to get right though, which is different. Having both ref’d and played soccer, you absolutely need lineman watching the field closely.

Re: Own-goal football (2022)

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Post by munificent »

divan wrote: post #7

Sports is one of the most fascinating and underexplored examples of Goodhart's law (collapsing correlation between the metric and a goal). One of the most widely known examples of this is a London 2012 badminton scandal, when tournament design led to misaligned incentives for teams (it was beneficial for them to lose a game, to meet with less formidable opponent known beforehand). But there are dozens of such cases a…

The meta-game of game design: how do you design a game whose mechanics lead to incentives that align with your intentions is a fascinating area. It also has deep connections to policy design in politics.

In the political arena, it gets so much more complex because you have disagreement on intentions and people deliberately obfuscating their intentions. So you've got people arguing over legislation who are trying to aiming the laws have different emergent properties.

Re: Own-goal football (2022)

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Post by katamarimambo »

Considering how 'tanking' for talent acquiring has become a strategy in american sports, I hope at least we get to see this scenario with both teams trying to score own-tds/baskets/etc and fiercily defending the opponents goal in a match

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Post by haunter »

yowzadave wrote: post #9

How do you defend against an opponent trying to score an own goal? Wouldn’t it be off-sides if you got between the player and their goal?

No because they control the ball. You are only offside if your team is controling the ball + you are actively involved in the play [your team's attack]

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Post by CocaKoala »

yowzadave wrote: post #9

How do you defend against an opponent trying to score an own goal? Wouldn’t it be off-sides if you got between the player and their goal?

As long as a nominal defender (not counting the goalie) is in between you and the goal, I don't think you're off-side. So presumably it means you have to a) maintain possession of the ball or 2) clear the ball before all other defenders are able to make it past whoever currently has possession. A) sounds a lot easier than 2), though.

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Post by CocaKoala »

haunter wrote: post #15
yowzadave wrote: post #9

How do you defend against an opponent trying to score an own goal? Wouldn’t it be off-sides if you got between the player and their goal?

No because they control the ball. You are only offside if your team is controling the ball + you are actively involved in the play [your team's attack]

Interfering with the ball is sufficient to be called for off-side - you need to be in active play, but you can do that when your team doesn't have possession.

Re: Own-goal football (2022)

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Post by jnsie »

yowzadave wrote: post #9

How do you defend against an opponent trying to score an own goal? Wouldn’t it be off-sides if you got between the player and their goal?

No, you'd be offside if your own team member passed you the ball while you were between the player and their goal. You wouldn't be offside if the other team had the ball.

Football would be a nightmare if players were hanging out in the other team's box, waiting for the ball to be hoofed upfield to them so they could tap it into the back of the net. Offside stops this from happening by making sure that the receiving player is not in front of the opposition's defensive line.

Re: Own-goal football (2022)

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Post by owenmarshall »

yowzadave wrote: post #9

How do you defend against an opponent trying to score an own goal? Wouldn’t it be off-sides if you got between the player and their goal?

No. A player in an offside position is absolutely allowed to receive the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball.

Re: Own-goal football (2022)

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Post by kevinmchugh »

permo-w wrote: post #8
arduinomancer wrote: post #5

> Any goal scored in extra time would count as two goals That seems like a really strange rule to have

something similar could arise even without double goals in extra time. let’s say your opponents have a man sent off, and you’re up by 1 with minutes left to play, but you need 2 or 3 to qualify. an own-goal to give yourself 30 extra minutes to score those few goals against a weakened opposition is probably the best choice it’s "no draws" rather than "double goals" that creates the unusual incentive. double goals just…

And goal differential as tiebreaker creates an incentive where just winning isn't enough
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