7 billion requests last month with the average user making 344 requests per day. Crazy numbers. Is there no way to optimise and cache some of this?
Why would they optimize it if the service is provided for free?
Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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Lemmy? One of the devs of Lemmy posted this on Christian's thread on Reddit. https://r.nf/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_re...
Last time I checked Lemmy, it was just full of communist propaganda.
> communist propaganda
That's the reason I want to find a Reddit alternative...
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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It's truly depressing. Reddit's usefulness as an aggregator is what's kept me around for so long. But the sheer extremist views I see on a daily basis are so off-putting. My wife jokes about how I say every other month that "I'm going to quit Reddit". It's so weird to me that they've let the mods go absolutely bonkers. I've gotten banned from so many subreddits simply for having a different opinion.
Nearly every time a user whines about being banned from a subreddit by evil mods for "muh different opinion", they were just being assholes.
If you comment any pro-Elon Musk argument on a subreddit, no matter how tame, you will get banned. Happened to me in /r/worldnews. This isn't some conspiracy: mods are actively banning discussion.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#964I have seen a lot of "wow, Reddit is over" comments here and on reddit. There will absolutely not be any meaningful exodus from Reddit. Unfortunately, we as a society are pretty bad at organizing and of course prone to overestimating outrage. In any event, this is clearly absurd pricing. Its tough to tell if this is deliberate to simply kill appollo and cater to a usecase that makes them some money at the same time,…
> any meaningful exodus from Reddit
If their moderation/administration policies didn't create an exodus, killing off third-party reader apps will definitely not create an exodus.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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ah that explains why Twitter led the pack making their APIs insanely expensive. there is value in the data and the LLM companies will be willing to fork it. a whole new business model and monetization of mass data not predicated on ads or user privacy. what could go wrong?
That's unlikely. Elon jacked up the price because he wanted Twitter to make revenue, so get people to use their app and site, and basically to just get rid of anything he doesn't control.
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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#966Someone in the thread where the OP linked directly to the Reddit post[0] suggested that perhaps Apollo would just create its own Reddit-like website under the name Apollo, republish it on the app store and then all the users would flock to the new social-media app instead of Reddit. The whole thing is really Reddit's fault: instead of offering to buy-out Apollo and make it official, they are relying on their ultra-sh…
Or scrape the HTML directly instead of using an API. I'm pretty sure the clients I mentioned in the post scraped the old forum. APIs and SaaS wasnt a big thing a decade ago. And I recall in my case there is not a big exodus but people slowly moved over with die-hard fans on both sides. As a comparison, with 20MM the devs can probably build the new thing, serve media over CDNs and out-SEO reddit with some to spare. I…
You can't really just scrap the html of a a single-page app, or with a reasonable delay to make your app usable
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#967The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…
a few options for Reddit: 1/ just buy Apollo. show ads 2/ do a special deal with Apollo where they somehow incorporate ads into the app 3/ API access with Reddit Premium. Apollo can now carry on as normal for premium users & charges "free" users 4/ learn to build a freaking app - people didn't end up using Apollo because of the high quality of the Reddit mobile app. Personally I rarely use Reddit in a browser and if…
Yes. I like that idea about API keys like how OpenAI is doing it so the user can plug in their billing account into whatever 3rd Party service you find interesting (and may have a totally separate financial relationship with) so the user is basically paying Reddit. They could possibly implement this already as users connect their accounts to the app when it's setup. At the end of the day its the same thing Reddit is being compensated for off site data access but somehow it feels more organic and under my control as a user vs this kind of rent seeking ransom negotiations for a hostage user base.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#968Yeah, I'm out. I'm not using Reddit on its own app nor the browser. The app is huge and clunky. The browser is turtle slow. Neither gives me the granularity that Apollo gives me. The swipe controls are slick and so are the filters. If I can't consume it with Apollo then it ain't worth it to me. And I already paid for the app. I refuse to pay more for something that is not a necessity. Apollo would have to become a su…
I'm in a similar mode.
But what no one thinks about is how much the productivity we lose from wasting time on Reddit is costing us. If I cut out my Reddit use (while just at work), and replaced that with actual work.... I could easily make $3,000 to $4,000 dollars more a year.
And I am not particularly well paid. I don't make 6 figures, so that amount of money is a pretty huge deal for me.
But still our brains think in terms more like.... well I'd pay $25 for this one time, but I won't pay $5 per month because that's just TOO MUCH.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#969The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…
I moved to Apollo a month ago and paid for Pro because the Reddit app kept feeding me the same ad over and over, and it was a really annoying ad at that. Nothing I did including reporting it using various labels / downvoting it would remove it completely from my stream. I will not be using the Reddit app unless they do something about annoying / intrusive ads on their app. I'm fine with ads, just stop showing the one…
I know exactly which ad you're talking about, and it's STILL around in my feed when I access via the web.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now. - "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users ar…
> Also be aware that Reddit's community is different than Facebook, Twitter, YouTube; they're a lot more tech-savvy, a lot more anonymous, favor NSFW a lot more, and a lot more anti-corporate. Especially the moderators, who honestly control most of the community (though it's usually a bad thing). We're going to need those moderators to prevent the Apollo social network from becoming the next 4chan (because, hopefully…
You can still be anonymous on Reddit, unlike facebook, which comes with good and bad.
I think it's true that Reddit leans more towards supporting internet privacy initiatives, net neutrality, etc. whereas facebook users often have no awareness of these issues in the first place.
But at the same time, no requirement to associate with a real-world identity means there are more sockpuppet accounts, more astroturfing, etc.