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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by hackernewds »

58x14 wrote: post #99

I think it's very clear that the recent LLM boom is directly responsible for Twitter, Reddit, and others quickly moving to restricted APIs with exorbitant pricing structures. I don't think these orgs really care much about third-party clients other than a nuisance consuming some fraction of their userbase. Enterprise deals between these user generated content platforms and LLM platforms may well involve many billions…

ah that explains why Twitter led the pack making their APIs insanely expensive. there is value in the data and the LLM companies will be willing to fork it. a whole new business model and monetization of mass data not predicated on ads or user privacy. what could go wrong?

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by theage »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #454
danijelb wrote: post #327

The web went in the wrong direction when we abandoned the initial concepts of user agents, which was that the browser has the ultimate choice of what to render and how. That concept, transferred to today's world of apps would simply mean that any client like Apollo is essentially a browser locked on Reddit's website, parsing HTML (which has the role of an API) and rendering the content in a native interface. As long…

> Unfortunately with today's SPA apps we don't even get the HTML directly It works the other way: with today's SPAs the API (that powers the frontend) is exposed for us to use directly, without going through the HTML - just use your browser's devtools to inspect the network/fetch/XHR requests and build your own client. ----- On an related-but-unrelated note: I don't know why so many website companies aren't allowing…

The reason there will always be ads: average consumers are never willing to pay as much to keep their eyes clean as others are willing to pay to dirty them.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by Razengan »

It's high time for Reddit to be buried. With the clout it already has, Apollo could probably start its own social media platform.

Reddit, like Twitter, does not seem to understand what Facebook and Instagram already know: For many people, the APP -IS- the platform.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by nunez »

nocoiner wrote: post #583
rybosworld wrote: post #328

I definitely see Reddit going the way of Yahoo! A slow spiral into irrelevance because of lots of small bad decisions. At one point, Reddit felt like a lone champion of free speech and conversation in a sea of buzzfeeds. I think they've moderated the website into ruin. They've put a lot of energy into silencing certain kinds of voices/opinions while promoting others. What's left is a very liberal echo chamber. All of…

This is really well stated. Sometimes out of morbid curiosity, I’ll read one of the /r/all posts on a topic where I know the discussion is going to be reductive and generally uninformed (the example that comes immediately to mind is anything involving the energy industry - there’s not much to find beyond “hurrr durr Exxon bad thorium good”), and every single time it’s the same type of self-satisfied navel-gazing comm…

In that situation, I sort by controversial to see what the other side of whatever issue is being discussed is saying.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by faeriechangling »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #851

Someone in the thread where the OP linked directly to the Reddit post[0] suggested that perhaps Apollo would just create its own Reddit-like website under the name Apollo, republish it on the app store and then all the users would flock to the new social-media app instead of Reddit. The whole thing is really Reddit's fault: instead of offering to buy-out Apollo and make it official, they are relying on their ultra-sh…

I have to think a fairly small slice of users are using 3rd party clients. I know almost nobody uses old.reddit.com anymore.

I don't see any of the moves Reddit is making as unsustainable, they just have a lock on their niche. Sure Apollo could clone Reddit, but why continue to use their app that that point when it would be better to switch to the official app which will see maybe 100x+ more usage?

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by zzzzzzzza »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #859
DiscourseFan wrote: post #851

Someone in the thread where the OP linked directly to the Reddit post[0] suggested that perhaps Apollo would just create its own Reddit-like website under the name Apollo, republish it on the app store and then all the users would flock to the new social-media app instead of Reddit. The whole thing is really Reddit's fault: instead of offering to buy-out Apollo and make it official, they are relying on their ultra-sh…

The interface is "shitty" for users, not for Reddit. Reddit just wants ads and the inability for users to filter out stuff they don't want to see, such as ads or moderation, in order to market themselves to the highest bidder that needs to spread propaganda. Having any user control of the content distribution is harmful to this goal, and must be destroyed. In general, all for-profit social media or similar operations…

i would suggest the solution is git, although maybe something like jujitsu would be an even better base than git

if you need relational modeling have people run it themselves on something like supabase

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by davidcollantes »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #502
superfrank wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. I think a critical part of the Digg exodus was that most people already saw Reddit as a clear #2 in the space. When Digg fucked up, there was an obvious place for everyone to migrate to. I don't see that right now. Facebook isn't cool anymore, Twitter has a large number of people who won't use it because of Elon, Mastodon isn't mature e…

Discord seems the most likely, it matches the subreddit model and a lot of Reddit communities already have a discord. Obviously Discord is chat focused so not a one-to-one replacement but I am not sure that the younger generations will care. Plus there is the possibility of discord adding a Reddit/forum like feature, since they already have the mindshare.

I hope this is not the case. In my experience, Discord has always been clunky, very slow, and truly unmanageable (from a user’s perspective).

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by fluidcruft »

api_or_ipa wrote: post #346

The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…

Of course, the flip side to that is that I would assume TikTok and Instagram or Twitter type content is not as valuable for LLM training. I think it's the big long form posts that you get on Reddit with explanations and tutorials and advice that have value.

And I don't think a lot of that value has much to do with the direction Reddit has been going with its redesign. If they viewed their core product as creating high quality rich textual content for input into LLM, they would do many, many things differently and probably spend more time improving the moderator tools to improve curation.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by fortedoesnthack »

faeriechangling wrote: post #895
DiscourseFan wrote: post #851

Someone in the thread where the OP linked directly to the Reddit post[0] suggested that perhaps Apollo would just create its own Reddit-like website under the name Apollo, republish it on the app store and then all the users would flock to the new social-media app instead of Reddit. The whole thing is really Reddit's fault: instead of offering to buy-out Apollo and make it official, they are relying on their ultra-sh…

I have to think a fairly small slice of users are using 3rd party clients. I know almost nobody uses old.reddit.com anymore. I don't see any of the moves Reddit is making as unsustainable, they just have a lock on their niche. Sure Apollo could clone Reddit, but why continue to use their app that that point when it would be better to switch to the official app which will see maybe 100x+ more usage?

I still use old.reddit. For my reddit usage it's perfectly fine and if anything finding things in the new UI results in a terrible experience for me.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by LikesPwsh »

faeriechangling wrote: post #895
DiscourseFan wrote: post #851

Someone in the thread where the OP linked directly to the Reddit post[0] suggested that perhaps Apollo would just create its own Reddit-like website under the name Apollo, republish it on the app store and then all the users would flock to the new social-media app instead of Reddit. The whole thing is really Reddit's fault: instead of offering to buy-out Apollo and make it official, they are relying on their ultra-sh…

I have to think a fairly small slice of users are using 3rd party clients. I know almost nobody uses old.reddit.com anymore. I don't see any of the moves Reddit is making as unsustainable, they just have a lock on their niche. Sure Apollo could clone Reddit, but why continue to use their app that that point when it would be better to switch to the official app which will see maybe 100x+ more usage?

Reddit power users are overrepresented as users of third party clients and old.

They have an outsized influence as content sharers/creators rather than consumer, so annoying them is worse for reddit than it might appear.

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