Simply use different IPs on the free tier, what's the need to pay anything at all?
Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#742I am the sole developer of https://rdddeck.com; I have not receive any mails; where can I find more information regarding what will be rate-limited starting July 1st?
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#743I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…
This is such a good idea even without Reddit's monetization and potentially blocking NSFW content. To me it seems obvious. It's also something that's actually likely to succeed and within the community's control, unlike getting Reddit to change their stance. Like, there's nothing stopping this from developing right now. - "There won't be as many people." That's ok, probably even a good thing. 1.5-2.5 million users ar…
> I believe HN has around 1.5-2.5 million
HN has about 5M unique monthly users depending on how you count them.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#744Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook's average revenue per user (ARPU) is ~$10/quarter[0], and 6x that in the US. Which is honestly kind of stunning. Reddit is presumably much less than that, but they might be reasonably gunning for a number better than Pinterest, with an ARPU of ~$1.50[1]. To put the pricing post into the same context, we're talking $7.50 per Apollo user/quarter, which is closer to what Facebook makes per user than Pinterest.…
My thoughts exactly. People ask for paid options in lieu of ads and tracking, but when sites like YouTube and Reddit offer paid plans at reasonable prices ($3-$10/mo) there is an equal amount of outrage. You will never be able to please users who simply want to pay nothing.
I'm not going to pay YouTube for their service only for them to harvest my data to sell for even more money.
If I could just pay for the service without Google's malicious intents, then I would have no problem paying for YouTube Premium.
Same goes for Reddit and all the other bad actors.
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The idea that it's anti-competitive to do with your platform what you want is in my mind silly. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from building a reddit clone to compete against reddit besides your ability to attract their users. It comes off as extremely entitled to think that reddit should supply you with the data created by their platform to do what you want with it.
Reddit didn't create data. I did, you did, random users did. Why did it happen on Reddit? Because Reddit, at least for a while, seemed like it was a relatively open place where data wouldn't be stuck and made inaccessible without an account. Reddit exists _despite_ Reddit's incompetent management and tech teams, not thanks to them.
Eh. You can be more incompetent.
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#746Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't disagree that it's one point of view, but I hardly believe both examples do not have a simpler explanation: both companies no longer want APIs for third-party clients. Elon wanted to turn it completely off and was probably convinced to ban the accounts of all the third-party clients and to try and harass the world's many weather services to pay 42,000$ a month. Reddit has one credible third-party client: Apol…
> Reddit has one credible third-party client: Apollo. Ooof. I mean, if you're only an iOS user, maybe?
And there's even Narwhal on iOS that's totally viable and fine. That's insane hyperbole.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#747Everyone saying their pricing is absurd had better get ready for the new wave of API pricing. Like every other industry, there's a growth period where things are new and prices are reasonable, and then there's the "squeeze" where bean counters come in, make charts that are likely bs, and explain how much easier it'd be if we charged 4x as much for half the customer base. Twitter was one of the first to give access to…
I thought Google Maps was the first? There was a big hoo-ha about that a while ago.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#748I think it's very clear that the recent LLM boom is directly responsible for Twitter, Reddit, and others quickly moving to restricted APIs with exorbitant pricing structures. I don't think these orgs really care much about third-party clients other than a nuisance consuming some fraction of their userbase. Enterprise deals between these user generated content platforms and LLM platforms may well involve many billions…
LLMs have nothing to do with it. Someone skilled enough and rich enough to develop and train an LLM is absolutely capable of reverse-engineering your private API or scraping your web UI and defeating whatever protections you have.
Managing all those LTE proxies is far from cheap
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#749Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#750I think it's very clear that the recent LLM boom is directly responsible for Twitter, Reddit, and others quickly moving to restricted APIs with exorbitant pricing structures. I don't think these orgs really care much about third-party clients other than a nuisance consuming some fraction of their userbase. Enterprise deals between these user generated content platforms and LLM platforms may well involve many billions…
LLMs have nothing to do with it. Someone skilled enough and rich enough to develop and train an LLM is absolutely capable of reverse-engineering your private API or scraping your web UI and defeating whatever protections you have.
I heard researchers on public funding can’t violate ToS without invalidating their current and future employment, and therefore cannot engage in social media researches without free API…