Off to Teddit or?
Or self host your own. https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit
Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#552I'm looking forward to this outcome. Reddit and Apollo both need to get paid, on a recurring basis, for their recurring services that require recurring maintenance and updates. Reddit gets paid either through ad revenue displayed to non-paying visitors to the website, or through API calls for access to their dataset. Apps that enable user access via the API will need to pass along this charge to their users. Apollo m…
The pricing seems to be aimed at killing 3rd party apps, rather than making them partners. Reddit seems to be entering it's late-stage period. I wonder what will replace it.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#553I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…
Yup. I'd join Apollo if it was substantially similar. They could not possibly make a worse UI than the current "new" reddit web UI so the bar is pretty low.
I have recently searched for some open source alternative to reddit. Lemmy.ml seems to be a fediverse alternative, and have a nice web UI and apps, though the site is pretty much empty. If popular 3rd party app could join force and migrating to lemmy because of reddit's brain-dead pricing. It will be interesting.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#554The web went in the wrong direction when we abandoned the initial concepts of user agents, which was that the browser has the ultimate choice of what to render and how. That concept, transferred to today's world of apps would simply mean that any client like Apollo is essentially a browser locked on Reddit's website, parsing HTML (which has the role of an API) and rendering the content in a native interface. As long…
> As long as the user can access the HTML for free, they should be able to use any application (a browser or a special app) and render the content however they wish.
You can see how the end game of this is HTML no longer being free, right?
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#555I'm surprised they didn't take the approach of "API access for paid accounts only, and with limits to restrict LLM scraping". If they'd added that to Premium, plus a lower-tier "API" pricing at $1-2/month they'd likely have cleaned up.
I'm curious what percentage of Reddit Premium subscribers are also users of third-party apps - seems to me that if you're a power user you're more likely to be in both camps. Also moderators - apparently lots of mods do so through the apps instead of the website, so there may be plenty of subs that have issues as well.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#556Disappointing. Sad to see such a wonderful app likely meet its end. This is to be expected when you pin your existence on the good graces of a for-profit company. Reddit wants IPO. Badly. They want to show potential investors that they're solvent. To this end, as Google did nearly two decades ago, they will monetize every inch of their user base and application -- that includes access to their data. But Reddit is on…
I think there is also value to the general online/web community, in keeping the reddit community on reddit.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#557He should seriously consider starting his own Reddit alternative. He has a sea of enthusiastic supporters that potentially have enough critical mass to get it started. Unlike attempts to create Reddit alternatives in the past, this group isn't full of racists and others who were kicked off the site for engaging in reprehensible topics.
His group is instead full of people who don’t want to pay for things and who don’t like ads. Good luck bootstrapping the next Reddit with that.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#558He should seriously consider starting his own Reddit alternative. He has a sea of enthusiastic supporters that potentially have enough critical mass to get it started. Unlike attempts to create Reddit alternatives in the past, this group isn't full of racists and others who were kicked off the site for engaging in reprehensible topics.
Agreed. It’s a small but sizable community that, as you said, wouldn’t cause problems like the group that left Reddit for Voat. I realize it’s a much bigger challenge as a one man team to create a full Reddit clone and not just a nice client for it. But I really hope the Apollo dev considers teaming up with others to go for it.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#559I think it's very clear that the recent LLM boom is directly responsible for Twitter, Reddit, and others quickly moving to restricted APIs with exorbitant pricing structures. I don't think these orgs really care much about third-party clients other than a nuisance consuming some fraction of their userbase. Enterprise deals between these user generated content platforms and LLM platforms may well involve many billions…
Can't they pull the data from archive.org?
Archive.org was knocked offline the other day due to some AI startup scraping it to death. It’s not a good thing.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#560I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…
This Tapatalk by chance? I only remember it because it would sign your posts with a little ad.
That was the one that I thought of too. I didn't understand why every Invision forum would pop that up as the client to use. Seemed like they were giving away the keys to the castle for free. Crazy.