Maybe it’s just because I don’t know the Reddit API, but doesn’t caching semi-solve the problem? At Applo’s scale at least?
I HAVE to assume there is quite a bit of overlap in Apollo’s mentioned 7 billion Reddit api requests last month…
Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
501–510 of 1001 posts
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#502The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…
> One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. I think a critical part of the Digg exodus was that most people already saw Reddit as a clear #2 in the space. When Digg fucked up, there was an obvious place for everyone to migrate to. I don't see that right now. Facebook isn't cool anymore, Twitter has a large number of people who won't use it because of Elon, Mastodon isn't mature e…
Discord seems the most likely, it matches the subreddit model and a lot of Reddit communities already have a discord.
Obviously Discord is chat focused so not a one-to-one replacement but I am not sure that the younger generations will care.
Plus there is the possibility of discord adding a Reddit/forum like feature, since they already have the mindshare.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#503Everyone saying their pricing is absurd had better get ready for the new wave of API pricing. Like every other industry, there's a growth period where things are new and prices are reasonable, and then there's the "squeeze" where bean counters come in, make charts that are likely bs, and explain how much easier it'd be if we charged 4x as much for half the customer base. Twitter was one of the first to give access to…
If you make more money it's hardly BS. There are supply and demand graphs and you can reasonably calculate how many customers you lose/gain from a price increase/decrease.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#504I think it's very clear that the recent LLM boom is directly responsible for Twitter, Reddit, and others quickly moving to restricted APIs with exorbitant pricing structures. I don't think these orgs really care much about third-party clients other than a nuisance consuming some fraction of their userbase. Enterprise deals between these user generated content platforms and LLM platforms may well involve many billions…
Can't they pull the data from archive.org?
That would be worse.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#505RIF (android) / apollo (iphone) are the only reasons reddit is usable on mobile since the official apps and new web view are absolutely terrible lol. If reddit kills the viewing experience, i can finally get off that site. The reddit api is also essential because reddit offers so little functionality. I have used my own bots before to search my own comments and delete my own content en masse.
I use the standard app - no complaints. I guess it's all in the eye (or opinion) of the holder.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#506The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…
> One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. I think a critical part of the Digg exodus was that most people already saw Reddit as a clear #2 in the space. When Digg fucked up, there was an obvious place for everyone to migrate to. I don't see that right now. Facebook isn't cool anymore, Twitter has a large number of people who won't use it because of Elon, Mastodon isn't mature e…
[dead]
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#507Someone should invest in Apollo, build a reddit clone and just let the app run on that. Screw the “actual” reddit.
The Apollo app has a huge install base anyway. Problem is only, how long will this all take?
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#508Why have no platforms launched an ad supported API? I realise that it's ripe for mis-use as clients could always just not display ads, and analytics would be hard as even if the client isn't actively malicious, it may fail to display an ad that it records as visible which is effectively ad-fraud. Nevertheless I feel like there are unexplored options here, including SDKs rather than web APIs, select partnerships, and…
There is a middle ground where they only audit the ads on the big clients. If you are say a top 10 Reddit client by usage it is going to be hard to get away with not showing the ads.
Great point. Also there's a range of auditing – from code level audits or the inclusion of first-party analytics, to spot checks, to self certification.
I've undergone audits for "Sign in with Facebook" usage in the past on a small app (~50k FB auth'd users), and it was enough of a spot-check that they probably catch egregious mis-use with not a lot of effort.
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#509I have a story to tell, about the demise of one of the largest internet forums in my language. About ten years ago, when smartphones just started appearing, the forum did not have a mobile version, and there are various 3rd party clients on the App Store or Android Market. Later on, one of the largest 3rd party client was blocked, because of they hammering the forum's servers too hard,. Or something about caching and…
was it taptalk?
Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing
#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
> One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. I think a critical part of the Digg exodus was that most people already saw Reddit as a clear #2 in the space. When Digg fucked up, there was an obvious place for everyone to migrate to. I don't see that right now. Facebook isn't cool anymore, Twitter has a large number of people who won't use it because of Elon, Mastodon isn't mature e…
Discord seems the most likely, it matches the subreddit model and a lot of Reddit communities already have a discord. Obviously Discord is chat focused so not a one-to-one replacement but I am not sure that the younger generations will care. Plus there is the possibility of discord adding a Reddit/forum like feature, since they already have the mindshare.
Discord stopped being cool when it started censoring subs for wrongthink, about 4 years ago.