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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by kredd »

rozab wrote: post #437
IAmGraydon wrote: post #343

Without a doubt, this is another step in Reddit's demise. It will really go into freefall when they go public later this year, after which I'm certain you'll start seeing more intrusive monetization. The window just opened for someone to develop the replacement. It will rip itself apart over the next few years and all 52 million users will be looking for a new home. Reddit's product is authenticity. Monetization is t…

It's a tragedy, because reddit is the last source of publicly available truth on the internet. I can search for anything with site:reddit.com and see actual human beings' opinions on the matter. All other truth is locked down in unindexed chats, and all other search results are SEO'd AI written articles shilling referral links.

All I can say is, don’t take any product advice from Reddit, since it’s fairly mainstream now. Basically every company does astroturfing and marketing in every possible way over there without disclosure. From what I was told, the most common ones are “try x, y, z” and “y” is the advertised product, but since it’s between other two, it looks like an organic comment.

Source: a friend working in marketing, so it’s not really reliable data point.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by LapsangGuzzler »

tpmx wrote: post #448
rozab wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a tragedy, because reddit is the last source of publicly available truth on the internet. I can search for anything with site:reddit.com and see actual human beings' opinions on the matter. All other truth is locked down in unindexed chats, and all other search results are SEO'd AI written articles shilling referral links.

truth Hah. Reddit "truth" is sold and bought at every level for anything popular enough. It's just the illusion of truth. Your site:reddit.com strategy stopped making sense 2-3 years ago. I will not be sad when reddit essentially dies in a few years from now. Good riddance.

> for anything popular enough

There is still a ton of value in the more niche Reddit communities. I don’t spend much time in the default subs, but the smaller interest-based subs are great and most of them are too small for the karma farmers to really care about.

Might as well get off the entire internet because all of the popular sites are sold and bought at every level.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by the_snooze »

Eji1700 wrote: post #418

Everyone saying their pricing is absurd had better get ready for the new wave of API pricing. Like every other industry, there's a growth period where things are new and prices are reasonable, and then there's the "squeeze" where bean counters come in, make charts that are likely bs, and explain how much easier it'd be if we charged 4x as much for half the customer base. Twitter was one of the first to give access to…

>I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two-sided market," where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.

https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by asdff »

granshaw wrote: post #57
RhodesianHunter wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has seemed rudderless for a long time. Their ads platform is damned near useless compared to their competitors. It's a wonder they have any revenue at all. Their moderation is wildly broken, frequently leading to blanket account bans of anyone participating in a thread close to content deemed inappropriate.

Far from it. They have great recent user growth and everybody is appending “Reddit” to the end of their google searches in the quest for non-gamed search results

It's not a sustainable position though. Advertisers aren't idiots, the market will adjust as it makes sense to adjust. You already have bot accounts flooding certain keywords on reddit with product placement. If everyone ends up on reddit, that's where the SEO spam crap you see today will follow them. If everyones on twitter, it goes there. If everyone goes to mastodon, so be it, there be the bots. It almost doesn't matter what the service is exactly, once it hits a critical mass it gets enshittified just because of the business opportunity it presents.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by poyu »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #454
danijelb wrote: post #327

The web went in the wrong direction when we abandoned the initial concepts of user agents, which was that the browser has the ultimate choice of what to render and how. That concept, transferred to today's world of apps would simply mean that any client like Apollo is essentially a browser locked on Reddit's website, parsing HTML (which has the role of an API) and rendering the content in a native interface. As long…

> Unfortunately with today's SPA apps we don't even get the HTML directly It works the other way: with today's SPAs the API (that powers the frontend) is exposed for us to use directly, without going through the HTML - just use your browser's devtools to inspect the network/fetch/XHR requests and build your own client. ----- On an related-but-unrelated note: I don't know why so many website companies aren't allowing…

> Where would Twitter be today if we could continue to use Tweetbot and other clients with our own single-user API-key or so?

So like OAuth? IIRC Twitter used that with all the 3rd party clients. I think the problem is that 3rd party clients filters out ad posts one way or the other. Your other point still stands though, just charge the user API access.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by hindsightbias »

racl101 wrote: post #174

Yeah, I'm out. I'm not using Reddit on its own app nor the browser. The app is huge and clunky. The browser is turtle slow. Neither gives me the granularity that Apollo gives me. The swipe controls are slick and so are the filters. If I can't consume it with Apollo then it ain't worth it to me. And I already paid for the app. I refuse to pay more for something that is not a necessity. Apollo would have to become a su…

If the average users app is doing 10K requests a month I'd wager it's a good thing they're over it but $5/month probably isn't much for the addicts. Avg HN latte for a day.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by robryan »

danpalmer wrote: post #464

Why have no platforms launched an ad supported API? I realise that it's ripe for mis-use as clients could always just not display ads, and analytics would be hard as even if the client isn't actively malicious, it may fail to display an ad that it records as visible which is effectively ad-fraud. Nevertheless I feel like there are unexplored options here, including SDKs rather than web APIs, select partnerships, and…

There is a middle ground where they only audit the ads on the big clients. If you are say a top 10 Reddit client by usage it is going to be hard to get away with not showing the ads.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by secabeen »

Arcorann wrote: post #467
secabeen wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, the RIF team has been silent on this issue for a long time. I would be very interested to hear what their plans are in the transparent way the Apollo developer has been.

RIF dev just posted an official update on the changes: https://old.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_de... As the URL suggests, at this pricing RIF will simply die.

Finally, thanks!

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by elpool2 »

superfrank wrote: post #393
api_or_ipa wrote: post #346

The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…

> One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. I think a critical part of the Digg exodus was that most people already saw Reddit as a clear #2 in the space. When Digg fucked up, there was an obvious place for everyone to migrate to. I don't see that right now. Facebook isn't cool anymore, Twitter has a large number of people who won't use it because of Elon, Mastodon isn't mature e…

The key thing reddit has is subreddits. Maybe they could be implemented using BlueSky's custom feeds?
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