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Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by ProAm »

api_or_ipa wrote: post #346

The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…

Why would they IPO? Just take the money you make now and be happy. They need to pay back the VC money they stupidly took very late, but it's not like they need to fund future dev? Another bad redesign? Many people use these alternative apps because the UI on Reddit is pretty bad. They should force ads into the api stream and just call it a day. These 3rd party developers are doing the work for you that the reddit employees cannot figure out on their own.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by bigthymer »

theturtletalks wrote: post #399
IAmGraydon wrote: post #343

Without a doubt, this is another step in Reddit's demise. It will really go into freefall when they go public later this year, after which I'm certain you'll start seeing more intrusive monetization. The window just opened for someone to develop the replacement. It will rip itself apart over the next few years and all 52 million users will be looking for a new home. Reddit's product is authenticity. Monetization is t…

Apollo needs to go open-source and pivot into a feeder app that connects to Reddit, Twitter, Substack, RSS feeds, etc. Allow users to connect their keys and pay the API themselves. Think of that as the subscription. The Apollo UI is killer and can make other social apps better. Once the new app is being used by power users paying for their own usage, Apollo builds a Reddit alternative. It will fit into the feeder app…

I don't think that will work because there will not be enough paid users to build critical mass. Enough of the never paying users provide sufficient value that I don't think there is a viable alternative without them. If there is going to be a reddit alternative, it is going to have to happen now or very soon after the paid Reddit API goes live.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by secabeen »

SpaceManNabs wrote: post #395

RIF (android) / apollo (iphone) are the only reasons reddit is usable on mobile since the official apps and new web view are absolutely terrible lol. If reddit kills the viewing experience, i can finally get off that site. The reddit api is also essential because reddit offers so little functionality. I have used my own bots before to search my own comments and delete my own content en masse.

Sadly, the RIF team has been silent on this issue for a long time. I would be very interested to hear what their plans are in the transparent way the Apollo developer has been.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by dilippkumar »

activiation wrote: post #298
racl101 wrote: post #174

Yeah, I'm out. I'm not using Reddit on its own app nor the browser. The app is huge and clunky. The browser is turtle slow. Neither gives me the granularity that Apollo gives me. The swipe controls are slick and so are the filters. If I can't consume it with Apollo then it ain't worth it to me. And I already paid for the app. I refuse to pay more for something that is not a necessity. Apollo would have to become a su…

Old.reddit.com isn't too bad

ew.reddit.com is even better.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by kitebive »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #343

Without a doubt, this is another step in Reddit's demise. It will really go into freefall when they go public later this year, after which I'm certain you'll start seeing more intrusive monetization. The window just opened for someone to develop the replacement. It will rip itself apart over the next few years and all 52 million users will be looking for a new home. Reddit's product is authenticity. Monetization is t…

There's a replacement already (maybe not as good, unfortunately): Lemmy*, which is decentralized and integrated with Mastodon.

* https://lemmy.ml

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by numpad0 »

danijelb wrote: post #327

The web went in the wrong direction when we abandoned the initial concepts of user agents, which was that the browser has the ultimate choice of what to render and how. That concept, transferred to today's world of apps would simply mean that any client like Apollo is essentially a browser locked on Reddit's website, parsing HTML (which has the role of an API) and rendering the content in a native interface. As long…

App Store. It’s the App Store and iPhone that killed the web.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by bigthymer »

thewataccount wrote: post #226
Banbeck wrote: post #171

Well, looks like this is the end of any social media use for me. Reddit was already hanging by a thread for me. Not being able to use Apollo for this will be the last nail in the coffin.

Serious question and I don't mean anything negative - Do you consider HN to be social media? Using it as just a news source seems really valid. And it feels different from other social media platforms because of the focus on full discussions. But surely this still counts as social media? Genuinely asking because I see you made your account just to post this comment - why did you do that? It's not a bad thing (I'm her…

> Do you consider HN to be social media?

I think this site will get a flood of new users from Reddit once the axe drops. I think this will cause the quality of discussions to go down.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by ceejayoz »

m-p-3 wrote: post #360
api_or_ipa wrote: post #346

The reality is that Apollo doesn't serve intrusive ads, and thus, every user using Apollo instead of their own first party apps is lost revenue. Unfortunately, reddit is in that late stage monetization step where they need to prove they are capable of big revenue to justify a high IPO share price. One can only hope there'll be a watershed moment like the one that killed Digg. So far, reddit has been very careful rais…

in my opinion, a good middle ground would be to make third-party apps only usable if you're subscribed to Reddit Premium. That way you don't give the data freely, you could make each API keys provided to the user with limits that won't impact normal navigation but would cripple automated data capture, and you'd solve the issue where third-party apps aren't fed ads by sustaining the platform through subscription.

I remain shocked this wasn't Musk's approach with Twitter; make API access part of Twitter Blue.
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