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Post by dabluecaboose »

Terretta wrote: post #284
consumer451 wrote: post #249

Can someone give me a couple reasons why it does not make sense to buy Apollo out, and make it the default iOS app? It is currently maintained by one excellent developer, is featured by the Apple App Store for design... what's the downside?

I'm having trouble remembering right now but I think that's how they got a prior app. Or maybe Twitter. Or Gmail getting an iOS app with amazing search... These firms hirebuy (like acquihire but more money) a single dev with an amazing tool, and not long after the tool is terrible and the dev is out of there.

Alien Blue. I was a user back when I had an iPhone and it was wonderful.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by busymom0 »

activiation wrote: post #298
racl101 wrote: post #174

Yeah, I'm out. I'm not using Reddit on its own app nor the browser. The app is huge and clunky. The browser is turtle slow. Neither gives me the granularity that Apollo gives me. The swipe controls are slick and so are the filters. If I can't consume it with Apollo then it ain't worth it to me. And I already paid for the app. I refuse to pay more for something that is not a necessity. Apollo would have to become a su…

Old.reddit.com isn't too bad

I suspect that will also go away soon.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by azemetre »

avdlinde wrote: post #225
azemetre wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you. I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums? I can never get into mastodon because it's not like forums and conversations between people are quite hard if you don't follow them. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

Unfortunately that wired website seems to be following the enshittification protocol.

Sorry you aren't able to read it, he also talks about it here as well:

https://doctorow.medium.com/twiddler-1b5c9690cce6

Oddly enough I can't find it actually on his blog.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by dragonwriter »

mongol wrote: post #295
thewataccount wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question and I don't mean anything negative - Do you consider HN to be social media? Using it as just a news source seems really valid. And it feels different from other social media platforms because of the focus on full discussions. But surely this still counts as social media? Genuinely asking because I see you made your account just to post this comment - why did you do that? It's not a bad thing (I'm her…

Yes I would, but not in the most common sense. Basically, I would categorize any internet forum or bulletin board a social media. At least if you go by some kind of identity and that identity persists. As opposed to traditional media, which was broadcast only (through airwaves or paper).

I think the proper contrast isn’t “airwaves or paper” vs “internet” but “one-to-many” vs “many-to-many”. The internet is a key enabling technology for many-to-many mass media, but a top-down one-way editorial-content website is as much traditional media as a newspaper.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by pembrook »

azemetre wrote: post #150
bluescrn wrote: post #145

Please Reddit, just let us use a web browser to access your web site. Users shouldn’t be forced so aggressively into using an ‘app’ - whether the official one or a 3rd-party app - when mobile web browsers are so very capable.

Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you. I wonder if there is a "fediverse" for something like forums? I can never get into mastodon because it's not like forums and conversations between people are quite hard if you don't follow them. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/

> Ever since learning the phrase "enshittification" [1] from Cory Doctorow it becomes more apparent when it happens around you.

This is just the natural lifecycle of all things involving humans. Why people want the same stuff to remain dominant forever is baffling to me. I can imagine nothing worse. Reddit dying off to leave space for something new and fresh is a good thing.

Social media sites do seem to go through the cycle even faster though--probably because they're essentially digital nightclubs. We all know of that one hip club that everybody waited in line for in our 20s, and then suddenly the drinks get too expensive and the crowd gets older and uncool...and then suddenly there's no line out front anymore. And there's a new spot in town where the young people cluster.

Before Reddit there was Digg. After Reddit, I'm confident there will be something else.

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Post by mvdtnz »

askafriend wrote: post #231
mvdtnz wrote: post #206

An average Apollo user is causing 344 API requests per day? That's a lot! I wonder if Apollo should prioritise reducing that number. I'd bet anything there is a lot of low hanging fruit to be had with aggressive caching and general tidying up.

Apollo users are also probably more likely to be Reddit power users. Think about it - who would go out of their way to download a un-official app?

I've downloaded an unofficial app and I'm by no means a power user. I just don't like the official app.

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Post by karaterobot »

thewataccount wrote: post #226
Banbeck wrote: post #171

Well, looks like this is the end of any social media use for me. Reddit was already hanging by a thread for me. Not being able to use Apollo for this will be the last nail in the coffin.

Serious question and I don't mean anything negative - Do you consider HN to be social media? Using it as just a news source seems really valid. And it feels different from other social media platforms because of the focus on full discussions. But surely this still counts as social media? Genuinely asking because I see you made your account just to post this comment - why did you do that? It's not a bad thing (I'm her…

Probably any media aggregator where you can submit content and vote on it qualifies as social media. So yes, HN is social media, and has some of the negatives that social media engenders (e.g. outrage-driven comments, low-quality discussion, people optimizing their lives around accruing pointless karma).

But, without a social graph, I wouldn't call it a social network, so it does not suffer a lot of the problems social networks have (e.g. echo chambers, ostracizing members, showing off, influencers, and many others).

Social media has problems, social networks have problems, and social media which leverages a social graph has a whole different class of problems. Ironically, the relative primitiveness of HN protects it from at least some of the worst elements of the internet.

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