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Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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More than any post I've read on HN, this screams "I'm a conman". You're building a casino, and on the inside, you're selling plots on the moon and names in a star registry.

No, dude. I’m doing the legal and technical work so that when a piece of real estate is sold as an NFT, the actual ownership of the land changes. You can actually read the legal contracts which make that happen at mattereum.com/land — go over it with a lawyer, they’ll explain how it works. It’s straight forward contract law. The property has to be in an SPC (special purpose vehicle) but that’s standard for all commer…

The fundamental issue remains though. It’s all that legal framework off-chain that implements and enforces property rights in the real world.

Having the data on chain doesn’t really help anything. All that matters is who the authority choose to see as the owner. They may as well operate the registry as they can choose to ignore it if they wish.

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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You are responding to someone who is attempting to replace existing land ownership recording systems with a blockchain based replacement, you aren’t going to persuade them as they are financially and emotionally invested in the success of cryptocurrency. Here is the thread where they talk about it and reject every single problem that others bring up with their blockchain title system. They also lie extensively about…

You really think a parcel of land is available for as little as 7000 gbp? That too apparently beach facing land? Whats more likely here, there is an error in the website that captures these property transaction details or the person is lying?

It’s a piece of land in a poor position, not well connected to anything, with a right of way through it, that will never get permission to build.

The person trying to sell it for 1.9 million is having a laugh, to put it mildly.

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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I've crossed swords with Molly a couple of times. I was the release coordinator for Ethereum, and I've been active in the space a long long time. Here's what it boils down to: freedom is messy. The early days of the dotcom space were filled with carnage of a type which makes crypto look pretty normal. Amazon stock dropped >90% and a trillion and a half in value vanished from the market overall. https://en.wikipedia.o…

Hello, as part of the bigger goals of the crypto space, I was wondering if you'd care to follow up on this generous $10k charity bet you proposed a few month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33893333

If @phphphphp isn't available or doesn't want to continue, I'd be willing to wager $10k on the same terms that he offered.

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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No, I will not. “You just have to do more research to understand” is the crypto founder’s refuge from all criticism. You have not demonstrated that your claim is worthy of investigation. While I am not the most intelligent person you have met, I am a very smart person. Someone who claims that the CAP theorem proves the inevitability of blockchains has understood neither, or is perhaps deliberately using words to bamb…

On the CAP theorem specifically, I refer you to: https://medium.com/humanizing-the-singularity/why-global-tra... I think you will find that if you think carefully the blockchain presents an opinionated solution to building useful globally distributed databases. This breaks it down more explicitly. https://ancapalex.medium.com/a-cursory-introduction-to-byzan... You actually have to think about this to understand it. F…

...but we already have useful, globally distributed databases that are vastly more efficient than blockchains, and have for a decade or so: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.c...

Bitcoin is 14 years old at this point. We are _not_ early. Surely if blockchains are as great as their proponents claim, at least one clever company would have done something unquestionably impressive with them? But maybe I'm the crazy one here.

(For context the time between the launch of Sputnik and the first commercial communications satellite, Intelsat I, was 8 years)

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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> The idea that sophisticated investors have been putting their money into USD and need crypto people to explain inflation to them is ridiculous. "Sophisticated investors" never had access to an asset whose supply was predictable (resistant to debasement), but also decentralized and permissionless to participate in. "Sophisticated investors" should probably know their monetary history, including why gold evolved as a…

Sophisticated investors generally do not want "decentralized and permissionless" assets. They want government and legal protections. Maybe you thing they are wrong for wanting that, because maybe you think the government is a threat to their wealth, and that is fine to have that opinion but the market for "decentralized and permissionless" isn't very big, which is why you don't see much money going into crypto anymor…

No, I understand why investors want legal guarantees. Actually, the endorsement and legal guidelines by the government for crypto would send its price soaring.

Being decentralized means no single party controls it, and thusly no single party can debase it or prevent its distribution. You need to understand why gold is still used as a store of value, and the role of government bonds as safe havens in the modern economy.

You have trust in a system because it works (for you) now, but you're not looking far enough into the future, and you're not weighting risk appropriately.

Crypto isn't just about sending money or making money. This is a completely new "thing", and part of the way its used is redefining what money actually is, based on programmatic protocols, consensus algorithms, etc.

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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What difference you mean, aside from the lack of a regulatory framework, pseudonymity (and paradoxically, lack of privacy), lack of recourse in the face of user error, and custodial issues? The "not your keys not your coins" take is hilariously dumb in light of how much "value" has evaporated in personal custodial failure. The currency and its supporting infrastructure has everything to do with it, and crypto fails b…

> What difference you mean, aside from the lack of a regulatory framework, pseudonymity (and paradoxically, lack of privacy), lack of recourse in the face of user error, and custodial issues? Is anonymity the issue? Cash is anonymous, but you also say that crypto is not private, which makes it now good or bad in your eyes? The opportunity for recourse has nothing to do with a currency. A currency cannot give you reco…

Having every transaction recorded in a public append only but otherwise immutable ledger does not afford the privacy choice you have with fiat.

People using fiat are not losing their life savings when they forget their bank passwords, nor are they sending money to the wrong address and losing money irrecoverably.

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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No, dude. I’m doing the legal and technical work so that when a piece of real estate is sold as an NFT, the actual ownership of the land changes. You can actually read the legal contracts which make that happen at mattereum.com/land — go over it with a lawyer, they’ll explain how it works. It’s straight forward contract law. The property has to be in an SPC (special purpose vehicle) but that’s standard for all commer…

The fundamental issue remains though. It’s all that legal framework off-chain that implements and enforces property rights in the real world. Having the data on chain doesn’t really help anything. All that matters is who the authority choose to see as the owner. They may as well operate the registry as they can choose to ignore it if they wish.

Having data on chain changes everything.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Speech-M... -- head of civil justice for the UK discusses smart contracts and commerce.

Read points six through ten here. This is entirely the point: having the data and contracts on chain is hugely important. If you don't understand this, you don't understand critical features about how everything really works.

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to maintain a standard of discussion here because it feels like hn bias just hit: there are more applications of a distributed database at 400ms latency than fraud. falling into ad hominem attacks feels immature.

"Distributed database" is not equivalent to "blockchain".

no but the reverse is.

Re: Molly White Tracks Crypto Scams. It’s Going Just Great

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First of all, there's no such thing as "the UK head of civil justice". England & Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are three separate legal jurisdictions. Anyway, I decided to go straight to the source and look at the report that Sir Vos is referencing in his speech. You can read it here: https://cms.lawtechuk.io/uploads/report_smarter_contracts.pd... Most of the uses of blockchain cited are not Web3, but example…

I am CEO of Mattereum. 1) it takes four months on average to transfer real estate in the UK. It’s about the same in most other counties. 2) with our system that is reduced to one KYCAMLCTF/source of funds check, and an atomic swap on Ethereum. Two days and most, and instant if you pre-clear the money. 3) getter a property legally ready for that transaction takes some time of course, but that work is mostly reused in…

1) Did you read the Smarter Contracts report I linked to for yourself? There's a full chapter on how the process of conveyancing will be significantly streamlined by digital ID, digital signatures, automation and interoperability between data stores. No blockchain required.

2) By KYCAMLCTF/source of funds, I'm assuming you're referring to what happens when someone buys ETH on an exchange? The problem is that only covers trading on the exchange. Once it leaves the exchange it leaves that regulatory environment, and it becomes impossible to prevent things like wash trading in NFT marketplaces. Are you really trying to tell me that exposing the property market to that is a good idea?

3) What you're actually saying here is that what Mattereum does isn't actually equivalent to conveyancing. In order to make doing this with NFTs work, you've created an inferior legal framework to actual property law, based solely around contract and arbitration law, that you expect people to use instead. The trade of the NFT is faster than conveyancing, not because it's doing the same thing more efficiently, but because it's not actually doing the same thing at all.

4) Large property companies will want actual conveyancing, not your substitute for it. They also don't want to trade property like NFTs. They'll be pleased about digital contract solutions that streamline the process of actual conveyancing.

5) A database can clear a $1.2m payment in real time. In the UK we have near-instant, free bank transfers with a limit of £1 million per transaction - to send more it can just be split into multiple transactions. Neither a database NOR a blockchain can create legally binding signatures on e-contracts without middleware like DocuSign or Adobe Sign. For electronic conveyancing, the answer is to... just use that middleware, it's fine. Transfer of an NFT does not count as a legally binding signature (isn't that the whole reason Mattereum exists)?

"Right now there is no meaningful electronic trading venue for real estate." Maybe - here's an idea - property shouldn't actually be traded like NFTs are? Maybe property law isn't just useless red tape and it exists for a reason? Maybe high frequency trading of property on a pseudonymous marketplace is actually NOT a good idea?

Speaking of Mattereum, I note the article on your website from April 16 2023 claiming that you have tokenised a "prime beach-front property on England’s south coast". Although the article uses a stock image of a building, the property is actually just a land parcel. Just curious, why was the NFT burned and recreated four months ago? It wasn't because the property sold. Why is it only now possible to buy the NFT by emailing Tokenised Properties to be added to a whitelist? Doesn't that rather defeat the purpose of what you're trying to do?

"DISCLAIMER: The land is sold as is without any planning permission. Images are for reference only for possible uses. Buyers are to make their own investigations and due diligence." Hmm, an empty plot of land with no planning permission... not exactly a house, is it?

"[...] the required searches, title deed and reference media for due diligence are displayed accurately and transparently so that the NFT purchaser can sell on the property without the next purchaser needing to go through the process all over again. What the NFT purchaser gets for their money is an interest in the property. If they wish to take full ownership of the property itself, they simply pay an extra pound, and full legal title is transferred to them, they can then do as they wish with the property and the NFT is burned."

Wait, one moment it's a property, the next it's just an interest in the property? What is your NFT actually adding here? If they take full ownership of the property, say, to build something on the land and sell it on, they're actually going to have to start that whole process over again, right?

I see absolutely no upside to tokenising property interests as NFTs and plenty of downsides, such as the potential for market manipulation, scams and thefts. Which is probably why the Smarter Contracts report focused instead on technological developments to fully digitise the traditional conveyancing process that already exists under property law.

But you've hitched your wagon to public permissionless blockchain ledgers like Ethereum and marketplaces for trading NFTs, so you have a vested interested in convincing us that this is the proper technology for the use case. Yeah, there are a lot of naïve grifters in the blockchain space - and you're one of them.

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