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Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

boppo1 wrote: post #283
hanselot wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far my experience with Vicunlocked30b has been pleasant. https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/VicUnlocked-30B-LoRA-GGML Although I haven't had much of my time available for this recently. My recommendation would be to start with https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui You will find almost everything you need to know there and on 4chan.org/g/catalog - search for LMG.

You should beware that /lmg/ is full of horrible people, discussing horrible things, like most of 4chan. Reddit's r/locallama is much more agreeable. That said, the 4chan thread tends to be more up-to-date. These guys are serious about their ERP.

Reddit is censored, nerfed and full of a different sort of horrible people.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

lynx23 wrote: post #254
_zoltan_ wrote: post #239

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That's just not true. Treat adults as adults, please. You're not everybody's babysitter and neither are the sf bros.

Thanks for writing this. Mentally healthy adults need to point this out more often, so that this patronizing-attitude-from-the-USA eventually finds an end to its manipulative tactics.

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by formerly_proven »

bob1029 wrote: post #266

OpenAI's models feel 100% nerfed to me at this point. I had it solving incredibly complex problems a few months ago (i.e. write a minimal PDF parser example), but today you will get scolded for asking such a complicated task of it. I think they programmed a classifier layer to detect certain coding tasks and shut it down with canned BS. I like to imagine certain billion/trillion-dollar mega corps had a back-room say…

> Microsoft is a big stakeholder and they might not want to get sued... Liability could explain a lot of it.

Microsoft is also responsible for Copilot (based around a “it’s unconditionally fair use if you use a mirror” legal theory) so this doesn’t track.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by Levitz »

Spivak wrote: post #339
LoganDark wrote: post #298

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> I personally don't get offended by words, but I guess if you are born after the 2000's perhaps you should avoid it. Ouch

Which is just a way of saying he not part of any of the demographics where going to 4chan to see people froth at the mouth dehumanizing and belittling people like you is self-harm. Wow an edgy white man not offended at seeing racism and transphobia, so brave.

No, not at all. I've received more slurs than you can imagine for being Spanish. I just don't care.

Sorry if it comes as blunt but I find no better way of saying it, you just don't understand the culture of the site, which is meant to filter people like you.

They are just words on a screen from an anonymous person somewhere. Easily thrown, easily dismissed. It makes no sense to be offended because some guy I don't know and who doesn't know me calls me something.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by cowpig »

capableweb wrote: post #346
cowpig wrote: post #334

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I'm so tired of this "regulations bad" trope. Most of the time, regulations do good. When I was young the Hudson River was a toxic cesspool of chemical filth. Now the river is slowly becoming a habitat again. The EPA does a whole lot of good. If you're afraid of Microsoft reaching its tendrils into OpenAI and corrupting its original purpose, as you probably should be, then maybe you should consider supporting regulat…

Just because they are against AI/ML regulation doesn't mean they are against environmental regulation. The post you're replying to is not saying that all regulation is bad, merely that the lobbying around this specific piece of regulation seems bad. I agree with you that a lot of regulation is good, but I also agree that some of the proposed regulation seems bad too.

A link to said proposed regulation and a comment about what is bad about it specifically would be constructive :)

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by 131012 »

brookst wrote: post #335
hanselot wrote: post #325

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>I used GPT3.5 to generate 100 short descriptions of families for a project. Every single one, without exception, was a straight couple with two to four kids. Ok, statistically unlikely, but not wildly so, right? Well, did any of your 100 examples specify these families should be representative of American modern society? I don't want to alarm you, but America is not the only country generating data. Included in coun…

I’d reply in depth but I’m hung up on your suggestion that there was any time anywhere where 100% of families were two parents and two to four kids. Any data for that? No women dead in childbirth, no large numbers of children for social / economic / religious reasons, no married but waiting for kids, no variation whatsoever? I’d be very surprised if you could find one time period for one society that was so uniform,…

I think they got stuck at the heteronormative bias, but the real blatant bias here is class. Most men are working class, and it's been like that forever* (more peasants than knights, etc.)

* since agriculture, most likely.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

roenxi wrote: post #257
chaxor wrote: post #124

The reason it's worse is basically because it's more 'safe' (not racist, etc). That of course sounds insane, and doesn't mean that safety shouldn't be strived for, etc - but there's an explanation as to how this occurs. It occurs because the system essentially does a latent classification of problems into 'acceptable' or 'not acceptable' to respond to. When this is done, a decent amount of information is lost regardi…

They're up against a pretty difficult barrier - if we had a perfect all-knowing oracle it might easily have opinions that are racist. Statistics alone suggest there will be racist truths. We're dealing with groups of people who are observably different from each other in correlated ways. GPT would need to reach a convincing balance of lying and honesty if it is supposed to navigate that challenge. It'd have to be dee…

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Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by Spivak »

throwawy67103 wrote: post #347
Spivak wrote: post #339

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Which is just a way of saying he not part of any of the demographics where going to 4chan to see people froth at the mouth dehumanizing and belittling people like you is self-harm. Wow an edgy white man not offended at seeing racism and transphobia, so brave.

Not him, but I browse it and I’m Jewish. I’d rather have free speech and see constant posts about holocaust denial and oven jokes and just ignore them

It's a little telling that saying that a particular cesspool of the the internet is inhospitable to some people is responded to with talk about free speech. I didn't bring it up, just said it's not for me.

You can browse 4chan because you don't have a strong emotional reaction to the shit they say, but if you did that would be fine too.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by pixl97 »

35997279 wrote: post #341

It’s been mostly fine for me, but overall I am tired of every answer having a paragraph long disclaimer about how the world is complex. Yes, I know. Stop treating me like a child.

>Stop treating me like a child.

And yet the moment they do that some lawyer submits a bunch of hallucinations to a court and they get in the news.

Also, no, they don't want it outputting direct scam bullshit without a disclaimer or at least some clean up effort on the scammers part.

Re: Ask HN: Is it just me or GPT-4's quality has significantly deteriorated lately?

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

Spivak wrote: post #339
LoganDark wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I personally don't get offended by words, but I guess if you are born after the 2000's perhaps you should avoid it. Ouch

Which is just a way of saying he not part of any of the demographics where going to 4chan to see people froth at the mouth dehumanizing and belittling people like you is self-harm. Wow an edgy white man not offended at seeing racism and transphobia, so brave.

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