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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Some skepticism is healthy, but I think you have a misconception about what an LLM is. Neural networks use machine learning to automagically find connections between data. Handwriting recognition is an example of this, as it's trivial to build a model that can recognize the differences between characters/digits, whereas writing an algorithm to do that effectively would be very difficult. You can train a model on samp…

I think you're accidentally making a jump in meta-levels: The equivalent of an existing handwriting recognizer for e.g. RSA wouldn't be a model that tells you how to crack RSA, it'd be a model that _does_ crack it (maybe by returning a probability distribution over the plaintext that's better than uniform). That feels pretty unlikely to me personally, but maybe that's doable, who knows. For the standard of "the LLM t…

> The equivalent of an existing handwriting recognizer for e.g. RSA wouldn't be a model that tells you how to crack RSA, it'd be a model that _does_ crack it (maybe by returning a probability distribution over the plaintext that's better than uniform). That feels pretty unlikely to me personally, but maybe that's doable, who knows.

Well, my point was based on the assumption that there is a flaw/backdoor in RSA, but nobody has discovered it yet. So you'd just need a model that can take a textual description of the algorithm as input, and spit out a list of logical errors/flaws.

I'm not saying there is a flaw or backdoor, but if there were, then a LLM would potentially be able to find it, while a team of human experts could miss it.

A model that receives an RSA encrypted payload and outputs the decrypted version would of course be impossible unless the above assumption is true... or you give it access to some compute power so it can either try to brute-force it, or try to track down and hack the servers with the keys :P

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Just to provide some context : The reason people believe this particular doctored (or AI enhanced) image "could be true" is because this "toolkit approach" has been employed by the Left Wing in India. The Right Wing in India regularly points it out on Twitter. So if both sides are slinging mud, its race to the bottom for the getting lowest common denominator on their side. I sometimes wish why can't we unbundle these…

> I sometimes wish why can't we unbundle these left vs right issues and decide stuff case by case. That's the opposite of what we should do. If you do case by case then people will always find reasons why it's no big deal if "their" side did it while it's really bad when the other side did it. No, we need to universally condemn this. No matter who did it and when and how. This is lying and propaganda, and it's bad ev…

You can't unbundle a person or partially punish a person. The people in power won't agree to such a situation. These mistakes happen collectively within the institution. I think the only way out would be to start with a moral clean slate for everyone like the debt cancellation e.g. Biblical Jublee [0] [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical)

[1] https://youtu.be/CZIINXhGDcs?t=736

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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The sheer amount of hubris in your post is astounding. So any opinion other than your own is propaganda fed by the west, but the only true reality is the one you agree with that paints India in a flattering light. Using “the world happiness index” as some kind of gotcha propaganda is hilarious, when we’re discussing actual issues like arresting protestors. Just ridiculous. I won’t be replying again to you because I d…

Yeah the same Western media that fed the world the news that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction, Libya needs to be attacked to install democracy, justified sanctions on most energy producers who were not much in favor of the USD such as Iran, Venezuela, Libya, Russia.

Some day you will realize the Western media is a propaganda tool wielded by the powerful arms and other lobbies to paint their targets and give the Western governments pretext to begin interfering in the matters of a non-pliable foreign government.

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For non Indians, NRI = Non Resident Indian i.e. an Indian who lives outside India. In case someone wondered. It is easy to shit on the party in office which is BJP right now but show me a country that can have hundreds of languages, all religions and still survive for centuries as one country. Europe couldn't do it. They broke into EU (for better or worse). There are flaws but India is a complex country of various cu…

Is "Congress party also bad!" still a primary defence of Mr. Modi who is in power for about 10 years now? I think NRIs are praising Modi because he is helping with the fall of Rupee as compared to other currencies so NRIs get maximum return when they send home USD. Will you be able to share some examples of "at least doing some work in various areas"? 1. I see BJP government as expert in data manipulator and creating…

The rupee is falling until it doesn’t and reverses course. The rupee falls because of numerous reasons primary among them being increased imports of oil and gas due to high growth. Increased exports have just started showing up in the numbers as India exported $750bn in exports for the first time ever. With the work on solar (go read about the progress of international solar alliance and the work done in Gujarat etc), hydrogen, EVs, flex petrol, etc the demand for oil and gas will only go down in 5 years.

India’s economy is getting a push as is clearly visible from some indisputable numbers like the digital transactions, sales of cars, homeowners count, etc. It’s just that all sources of income are not yet formalized in the huge country that is India so there is some extrapolation that needs to be done.

The Guinness book has recognized the Indian govt’s work for the most kilometers of roads constructed in a day and the new methodology is in use in other countries like the US as per the Minister, then it means the foreigners must be okay with manipulated numbers.

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As an NRI, I continue to be disappointed by the country I called home for most of my life. Between the politics and the pollution in Delhi, I fear I can never really return home. The last time I was home, I was struggling every day to breathe because Delhi has crazy air in the winter. While high school friends were telling me about how they don’t believe in equal rights, justifying any means to achieving a Hindu coun…

I'm an NRI/US citizen, have worked/traveled in the country extensively, and have shared my thoughts on HN many times regarding my country of origin. There is a prevalent "Indian apologist" mentality both inside and outside the country, which applauds anyone spinning the "happy people living with less" or "beautiful ancient culture" montage and shouting down anyone trying to put the preponderance of societal problems…

No it’s just the Indian voter telling the West/white guy to shut up and mind one’s own business. He knows problems exist and have always existed but they are being magnified more to demean the leadership that is trying to solve more problems per unit time. Regime change is what the West excels at.

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Technical solution to a social problem. It's not that it's impossible to tell the difference between real and fake, it's that there's no consequences for posting fakes. (A "solution" which requires end users to authenticate everything themselves is going to have the same level of adoption as pgp, i.e. near zero)

It's not even a solution because it completely ignores the analog hole.

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Technical solution to a social problem. It's not that it's impossible to tell the difference between real and fake, it's that there's no consequences for posting fakes. (A "solution" which requires end users to authenticate everything themselves is going to have the same level of adoption as pgp, i.e. near zero)

It's not even a solution because it completely ignores the analog hole.

Not to mention the inevitable abuse by whoever controls the keys.

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A lot of what enables this is centralized infrastructure. If you have your messages and browsing history and files on your own device, and you make end-to-end encrypted connections to the people you talk to, it's a lot harder to do this kind of thing. Because you have your own personal copy of the thing from when it first happened and if you remember it you can go back and verify it yourself. Then you can point that…

I don't think that Tucker Carlsen style BS machines have anything to do with governments censoring your private messages. You are talking about an entirely different threat model here.

"Censorship apparatus exists" is a threat regardless of what it's being used for because the apparatus doesn't care what it's being used for, and that can change overnight.

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Regardless of the title or whatever, I noticed the same way how this was conducted (creating a fake image, then a group is used to spread such news, then the sabotage/attack starts), same approach been used in different political tweets, in India, Saudi, Tukey, and even in US, the only difference is in English speaking ones it was quickly to find they were fake and in return who spread it had a credibility issue later, it doesn’t seem to be the case in a non-english ones for some reason. And that approach happened before Musk takeover and after, is it something had to do with the user base mentality or tech literacy, or the way how twitter works, or maybe something else, but I never saw such “swarm” behavior except in Twitter.

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Wow! Most of what you mentioned is plain wrong. Not sure if you are mistaken or lying knowingly. >> The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. Crop burning is already outlawed in India and enforced with fines. Why you need to make a new law for something which is already illegal? Below was the actual central idea of the farm bill: "The laws would have deregulated a system…

Did you even read my post ? > China is a "proper liberal democracy" as per you? The exact line you quoted, literally ends with an "if at all" in brackets right after. > Source please? That Rahul Gandhi is the 6th generation heir ? Motilal -> Jawaharlal -> Indira -> Rajiv -> Sonia -> Rahul. What's disputable here ? That he is incompetent ? I mean, even the most ardent congress fan won't deny that Rahul Gandhi is incom…

You added a generation there. Sonia was Rajiv's wife - not his daughter.
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