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Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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There were already quite inflated for at least half a year or so prior to the war.

The price now is the same as 2 years ago, before the big price hike: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas The prices will likely jump again in the fall/winter (but likely nowhere near to the 2022 winter).

Why is the gas price still €2.40 per cubic meter where I live then? That's nearly 10x what it was two years ago.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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There seems to be a lot of confusion about what's going on with price caps and what "independence" means, so here's an explanation: The price cap on Russian gas effectively sets a maximum price that those enforcing the cap will pay. This means that Russia can't sell at full price because even those not enforcing the cap aren't willing to pay full price for it (why should they, when Russia's choices of customers are s…

> This means that Russia can't sell at full price because even those not enforcing the cap aren't willing to pay full price for it (why should they, when Russia's choices of customers are severely limited?)

Yeah, as if energy sources are fashion material and are being bought out of pure fun and leisure. Because countries can just allow themselves not to rely on energy.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

#133

What about the countries buying up Russian gas an reselling it to EU countries? Did they stop that or have those countries just gotten smarter in hiding the origins of the gas?

It's not intended. In current situation more money go to middleman compared to ru, because rubis forced to sell at discount with fewer clients, so generally situation is the same but profit margins are bigger for middleman compared to ru

> It's not intended. In current situation more money go to middleman compared to ru

Let's pretend those middlemen are Martians.

https://www.offshore-technology.com/news/trafigura-stake-nay...

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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On 3 December 2022, the Council adopted Decision (CFSP) 2022/2369 , which established the price cap for crude oil at $60 per barrel.

Okay pardon my far-from-perfect use of English after a day of sleep deprivation. I should have said natural gas, not gasoline.

> The only reason why EU stopped buying it [...]

> I should have said natural gas, not gasoline.

You need to sleep a bit more: "Spain Boosts Russia LNG Imports 84% While EU Urges Less Reliance"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-14/spain-boo...

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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From what you wrote, you think because you've spent a few years living in Russia that it makes you an expert on the realities of international relations instead of a common parrot. You've written a large wall of text to debate something that was already settled as fact in February 2022. Did you actually forget that this wasn't a "common occurence?" Russia literally did invade Kyiv from Belarus. I've watched the Russi…

So what is a good reason to attack a country? Just to compare to other wars and how we treated the countries that started them?

Since you’re Serbian and clearly referring to Kosovo…

How about a war costing 500 civilian lives, with no land conquest by the perpetrator (NATO countries), so that in a few months you can bring an end to the systematic campaign of terror, including murders, rapes, and arsons in which over 13k people were killed or missing during the two year conflict. The Serb forces caused the displacement of between 1.2 million to 1.45 million Kosovo Albanians.

Ya post-facto seems like a trolley problem with a better outcome than your desired alternative of thousands of more dead.

Serbia has never come to terms with how much death and destruction they caused in the 90s to their neighbors. Sad to see them still support other countries doing the same. This attitude will hopefully not lead again to the further killing of your neighbors and same international shameful pariah that Russia is experiencing.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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First, I'm not going to click on your twitter links or know what they are, because like those trumpers I just made fun of, you seem to think twitter is some kind of a source of something. Second, there is no martial law requiring men to defend their country right now, and there is no mass mobilization. Here is what there is, and I actually know and skype with people who this has happened to. There are assholes walkin…

compared to someone like yourself who has not been to either country, You don't know anything at all about this person. And gets his opinions from random twitter accounts and one-sided news, Pure ad-hominem and absolutely against site guidelines. What makes me an expert ... is my parents escaped the USSR, I have lived and worked in both countries, and I have and currently do, talk almost daily to people I know in bot…

>You don't know anything at all about this person.

I know what he wrote. No personal experience, no credible sources, his reply was a bunch of twitter links. As such, all I do know about this person, is he has no personal experience with the matter, as per his comment.

>Pure ad-hominem and absolutely against site guidelines.

He literally keeps posting one-side of the news, and random twitter links. If you feel attacked by facts, it's time to go vote for trump. stating facts, is not against site rules. In addition - you're not in charge of site rules, and you should eff off with your spam.

> it doesn't make you an "expert" about anything

and as I've said to the other guy, you should read the thing to which you are replying instead of making up a strawman. nowhere did I say I'm an expert at anything. I shared rare personal experience so people can form more balanced opinions, based on extra information.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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I say this as an anti-GOP American who has lived a year an a half in Ukraine, has friends I currently financially support in Ukraine, and thinks Russia should be economically turned into North Korea: Belarus, the country, is "within spitting distance" of Kiev. There has always been tight integration between their armies, as well as open borders. There have Always been Russian soldiers close to Kiev, because that's wh…

The only difference between the people in charge of Ukraine, and the people in charge of Russia, is Ukraine doesn't have the military to go threaten the world - and if they did, they would. I don't buy this assessment at a all. Based on everything from their origins, to their voluminous public statements, to their actions, to their deportment and vibe -- not to mention the basic historical record of the two countries…

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Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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compared to someone like yourself who has not been to either country, You don't know anything at all about this person. And gets his opinions from random twitter accounts and one-sided news, Pure ad-hominem and absolutely against site guidelines. What makes me an expert ... is my parents escaped the USSR, I have lived and worked in both countries, and I have and currently do, talk almost daily to people I know in bot…

>You don't know anything at all about this person. I know what he wrote. No personal experience, no credible sources, his reply was a bunch of twitter links. As such, all I do know about this person, is he has no personal experience with the matter, as per his comment. >Pure ad-hominem and absolutely against site guidelines. He literally keeps posting one-side of the news, and random twitter links. If you feel attack…

Half of my family grew up in Kyiv Russian-Ukrainian, experienced other Russian atrocities, or is still there under duress like my uncle’s family. So you’re already blatantly wrong.

Your entire framing is about low level random anecdotal details instead of the actual high level issues, because you have minimal personal experience on the ground yet entirely ignorant on history or geopolitical reality.

Re: EU achieved independence from Russian fossil fuels

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post #121

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No?

> If India doesn't buy Russia's oil to resell to Europe, Russia ends up with even less money than they have now. EU is buying through India, right? If Russia put fee's in place to discourage India from reselling, but EU demand didn't change, prices would have to increase, right? It's a two sided market, supply and EU demand, which makes this "If India doesn't buy Russia's oil to resell to Europe" seem impossible.

India sells refined goods to Europe. They buy crude oil from Russia because Russia has no market to sell it to, and have to sell it at a discounted price. If Russia puts any sanctions on where India can sell their refined goods they'll just buy crude oil elsewhere. Europe isn't the only market, and Russia isn't the only producer of crude oil. India is just making a premium buy using Russian crude oil.

The biggest loss for Russia isn't the loss of crude oil sales, it's the loss of sale on refined goods. They were a massive supplier of things like diesel to Europe.

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