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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by s0rce »

yarg wrote: post #238
s0rce wrote: post #142

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Hmm, its been a while since I worked in the area of dental fluoride (was part of my PhD) but my understanding was systemic exposure pre-eruption was still beneficial. This (possibly biased source) agrees: https://www.dentalcare.com/en-us/ce-courses/ce334/pre-erupti... Excess exposure can cause fluorosis but nothing to do with the brain.

Possibly biased? It's two clicks away from an online shop for (fluoride) toothpaste.

Didn't check conflicts of interest closely but here are more sources: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21701194/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1600-0528.... https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002203459207100...

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Post by krackers »

opan wrote: post #304
dharma1 wrote: post #261

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I’ve been thinking about this recently - fluorapatite is stronger than hydroxyapatite when it bonds to enamel, and less soluble by acid. But fluoride doesn’t occur in any natural processes in the body - while hydroxyapatite is a perfect biomimetic - very safe, you can swallow it safely - and also works great in toothpaste to remineralise teeth. Currently using BioMin F (fluorapatite - very little fluoride due to a no…

I've used both apagard and boka toothpastes with nanohydroxyapatite and I've enjoyed them, though my tooth sensitivity is not totally cured. I still get a jolt of pain from sweet things on certain teeth occasionally. These n-Ha toothpastes seem at least equal to if not greater than high-fluoride options (in effectiveness) I tried previously like sensodyne and prevident (prescription-strength). I would say the boka mi…

Boka only has 2% nHAP, compared to the 7% of apagard premio or 10% of apagard royal.

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Post by hgsgm »

adrian_b wrote: post #244
blackhaz wrote: post #231

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Wouldn't some part of toothpaste end up ingested? With strong fluoride pastes (like those 5000 ppm specialized ones) could there also be a risk?

Obviously a little fluoride will be ingested. However it is doubtful that this would increase much the total amount of fluoride that is ingested daily, mainly from the plants that you eat and from the natural water that you drink. When you brush your teeth with fluoridated paste or you wash your mouth with a fluoride solution and you spit it, most of the fluoride acts against the tooth enamel to harden it and only a…

When you assume the reality that many people don't brush, the benefits of brushing have no impact.

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Post by hgsgm »

elif wrote: post #379
drewcon wrote: post #320

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Or, hear me out, watching terrorists kamikaze a few commercial airliners into a couple of buildings in downtown Manhattan and the Pentagon live on TV was actually kind of a nerve racking on its own irrespective of what the dissolved minerals in our tap water might have told us.

Also calling it a "dissolved mineral" is pointlessly euphemistic. Fluoride is sold as a poison. You may as well call the following "dissolved minerals": lead, arsenic, uranium, mercury, asbestos

Table salt kills slugs.

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Post by hgsgm »

adrian_b wrote: post #415
mihaaly wrote: post #408

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I am so very sorry stepping on something so sensitive.

It is not something sensitive, but I dislike the fact that the camp who has introduced water fluoridation does not have any rational or experimental argument in its favor, yet there are many who believe that water fluoridation is supported by "health scientists", so I believe that it is necessary to speak against such disinformation. Hardening the tooth enamel by fluoride is exactly like an anti-corrosive treatment o…

Putting water in your mouth is external application.

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Post by katbyte »

trallnag wrote: post #307
katbyte wrote: post #243

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I have sensitive teeth, when I drink water or any liquid really, it doesn’t touch my teeth. I’m more confused by how you would coat your teeth while drinking, do you swish it around in your mouth every sip?

Sounds like your teeth lack fluoride

the water here is thankfully unfluorinated.

i also brush with a toothpaste containing fluoride and have a healthy diet.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

bandyaboot wrote: post #81
ricardobeat wrote: post #33

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I can tell you that salt is not fluoridated in the Netherlands (most people who care about cooking use pure sea salt anyway). As for toothpaste, almost every toothpaste anywhere in the world has it. There is evidence both ways, the original reports were that children's dental health improved after they stopped fluoridation in the 70s.

> There is evidence both ways, the original reports were that children's dental health improved after they stopped fluoridation in the 70s. Has that effect been persistent? I would think the news of flouride being removed from the water would cause an increase in dental health diligence, but I would also be surprised if that effect didn’t wane over time.

I don't know what they do in the Netherlands, but in rural parts of the United States where people are on well water, fluoride treatments are common. Florida is directly applied to the teeth during a dental visit, then washed out.

Anecdotally, this is what I had and I have great Dental Health despite for brushing hygiene. I often skip brushing my teeth and almost never floss and haven't had a cavity in 40 years

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Post by jiggawatts »

Garvi wrote: post #343
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #119

Adding fluoride to water has always seemed weird to me, since you can't control for how much water someone is drinking or account for different bodily factors like age and weight. I wonder why the European solution of adding it to salt isn't the default, especially given that iodized salt is already so popular and commonplace. As a general rule of thumb, I think it's interesting to scrutinize dosage recommendations a…

>it's worth asking why It's been a popular and wide spread conspiracy theory that the "shadow government" is either trying to lower the IQ or the total population numbers using fluoride in the water supply. And since politicians don't get chosen on a basis of competency, but rather popularity, you have the vast majority being relatively severely logically challenged and thus unable to read scientific papers and under…

Or any topic that involves more than one interacting decision, a graph, or any numbers at all.

COVID made it pretty clear that neither the general population nor most politicians are remotely qualified to make decisions. Not just medical decisions, just… decisions.

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Post by throwaway2990 »

s0rce wrote: post #420
throwaway2990 wrote: post #171

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Sodium fluoride is a by product of aluminium production and is poisonous in high dosage. That’s why people are so anti fluoride. Calcium fluoride is naturally occurring and was what was discovered to be so good. Well the water it was first discovered was contaminated with sodium fluoride from aluminium but the water that promoted the research was calcium fluoride. But while sodium fluoride is poisonous in high levels…

The fact that its produced from aluminum refining is irrelevant. Also everything is poisonous in high enough doses. I understand that calcium fluoride isn't going to harm you because its not soluble, its just like eating some inert rocks but its basically pointless to add to toothpaste. I'm not worried about fluoride, its very helpful for dental health, I did a bunch of my PhD on this.

> I'm not worried about fluoride, its very helpful for dental health

The parent comment I originally replied to is.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by gymbeaux »

drjasonharrison wrote: post #382
gymbeaux wrote: post #372

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Novamin is another “dental secret”. US toothpaste doesn’t have it, but studies consistently show it’s more effective than just fluoridated toothpaste and protecting teeth from decay. You would think that in a “capitalist, free-market” such as the United States, an innovation with a clear and pronounced benefit over the status quo would take the marketplace by storm and quickly become the new status quo. Last I checke…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7068624/ "Review shows that Novamin has significantly less clinical evidence to prove its effectiveness as a remineralization agent in treating both carious and non-carious lesion. Hence, better designed clinical trials should be carried out in the future before definitive recommendations can be made."

I've read a few research papers that say essentially the opposite. I think you can find a study that supports your side most of the time.
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