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Post by throwaway384629 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #296
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #37

What's with India and the shift towards the right? I thought it had too many religions and different cultures to pull this off.

> What's with India and the shift towards the right? Successful republics appear to waver between stable liberalism and dynamic authoritarianism. We were relatively authoritarian in the Pinkerton and New Deal eras. Modi is delivering on a proven enthnonationalism liberal-economic playbook. It’s hard to argue against fattening pocketbooks and rising living standards.

>> It’s hard to argue against fattening pocketbooks and rising living standards.

You mean Adani's? [1]

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/gautam-s-ada...

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Post by throwaway384629 »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #239
lagolinguini wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad thing is they will probably win again in 2024. The damage that 15 years of BJP has done to the social fabric of India, and the undermining of the core founding principles of the republic will last for generations. It's hard to imagine it going away :(

We are used to a time when constitutional rights were suspended and state governments were dismissed on the whim. Regardless of what happens to BJP, India will continue to move ahead.

We also used to a time in Germany in 1940s. We should not let that happen again anywhere in the world.

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Post by lagolinguini »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #233
blackoil wrote: post #139

India is a fine specimen for anyone wanting to observe 1930s-40s first hand. A far right party with a popular/charismatic leader is using religion as a basis to all the problems India faces. We have extra-legal forces acting as vigilantes against people of a community. They have a very strong support in the majority. Media is in totality controlled by ruling party and social media is saturated with noise and false di…

The world has gotten well along with dictatorships like China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia (till they directly threatened the West). I am sure they can work with an authoritarian India.

Some of us are Indian and aren't too happy about the authoritarianism...

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Post by ephemeralkey »

ta_vf7xjd34cc wrote: post #310
ephemeralkey wrote: post #287

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> Secularism in modern India is a synonym for Hinduphobia ... 1. Secularism is a constitutional principle enshrined in fundamental rights in the Indian constitution. The fundamental *Right to Equality* in the Indian constitution already implies this. Although, the word *secular* was added explicitly to the constitution through the 42nd Amendment (in 1976), it has been implictly read in through various Supreme Court r…

> Secularism is a constitutional principle The constitution can say whatever it wants. The only thing that matters is what actually happens on the ground. Successive governments have adopted Hinduphobic positions and laws while claiming to be secular. Why are only Hindu temples under the control of various state governments? Why don't governments take similar control of cathedrals, churches and mosques? There is exam…

> Why are only Hindu temples under the control of various state governments?

That is because historically, a lot of the land (farm and non-farm) came under the Hindu temples when the temples were under the administration of kings. The British East India Company took over the administration which then transferred to the provinces (prior to independence) and then the states post-independence. Different states then passed laws. For eg: See https://hrce.tn.gov.in/hrcehome/hrce_about.php for Tamilnadu state's Hindu religious and charitable endowments department.

> Religious minorities can run their own schools where they can teach their children their way of life? Can Hindus do this qua Hindus?

Ofcourse they do. I studied in a school ran by a Hindu trust and we had students from all religions. There was morning devotional prayers (Hindu hymns), friday bhajans (singing religious hymns) etc., and everyone attended. Stop spreading this hate about us vs them.

> When religions conversions are used to shift demography, this has national security implications

Ah, the national security bogeyman! Why don't you try shifting the demography of the armed forces to address that? I think men and women in defence forces from all religious backgrounds would have something to say about that.

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Post by throwaway384629 »

Utkarsh_Mood wrote: post #237
forgetfulness wrote: post #199

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BJP is also hard at work at creating a single, homogeneous Hindu and Indian identity, where something more of a cultural sphere existed, to create fanatics to their cause. They're re-engineering Indian society in a way that we've seen end up in tears for everyone in the past, in other places.

>BJP is also hard at work at creating a single, homogeneous Hindu and Indian identity can you give particular examples of actions or legislation you think they've taken that exemplifies this?

BJP brought the Citizenship Act and the National Register of Citizens to act against the minority.

>> "Will remove every single infiltrator, except Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs: Amit Shah" [1]

Archive.org snapshot of now deleted tweet from BJP official account [2]

[1] https://indianexpress.com/elections/will-remove-every-single...

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20190520193044/https://twitter.c...

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Post by aluksi »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #2

Delhi Police arrested the protesting Indian women wrestlers. Various social media handles of IT cell of ruling party shared morphed picture of protesters to show that they were smiling in the police van. https://twitter.com/SakshiMalik/status/1662729269532065792

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Post by lagolinguini »

dagmx wrote: post #173
shri_krishna wrote: post #165

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The reality on ground is different from what you read in the press or even online. We see the work being done. When work wasn't being done (recent example of Karnataka), people voted BJP out. The alternative (Congress) came to power promising loads of freebies. Now voters on the ground are pissed off (plenty of videos where people are not willing to pay electricity bills or public transport fares because Congress sai…

I absolutely hate the way fellow Indians will just try and deflect negative stories about India as western propaganda. You do a disservice to your country by following that tired playbook. Did you ever stop to consider that I am actually well informed and genuinely disappointed with my country. Criticism of the country and party doesn’t mean I’m simply misinformed. I was critical of things when I lived there, I consu…

Sadly this is the line that the BJP and their followers have taken. Any criticism from outside India is "western propaganda". Any criticism from within India is "anti-nationalism", "pakistani" or "tukde-tukde gang".

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Post by lagolinguini »

dagmx wrote: post #115
screye wrote: post #80

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It is a conundrum, because the same NRIs oppose bills that would solve India's problems. The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. But protesting farmers (widely supported in the west) opposed it, and the bill died despite having democratic approval (both national opinion and sufficient votes) > dared to vote a great scientist to president We do not vote for Presidents in…

I corrected the means by which the president is chosen (it’s a vote by the electoral college so it wasn’t completely incorrect to say vote though). Thanks for mentioning that. I don’t think I agree with your other points. But I do hope your optimism pans out because right now things feel bleak.

I'm sorry, I don't understand why the other commenter thinks they are write and you are wrong? We live in a representative democracy. The Prime Minister is elected by proving a majority in the Lok Sabha, and the President is elected by electoral college, that doesn't mean that the President isn't elected? You are absolutely right to say that the President is elected.

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Post by lagolinguini »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #273
sbmthakur wrote: post #225

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Stubble burning was long banned but it's still being practiced and contributes to Delhi's pollution. In fact, one of the demands of the farm protests was to release those who were arrested for stubble burning[1]. > Again, wrong. The 2022 Indian presidential election was held on 18 July 2022 to elect the president of India. It's not a general election. Only MPs and MLAs get to vote for the president. > Source please?…

Looks like you are trying to respond to be without understanding the topic first and your above comment does not relate. My reply was to this comment which said: 1. "The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill" 2. "We do not vote for Presidents in India. The president was selected by the ruling party" Can you please let me know how any of above 2 statements are correct? Also…

> "We do not vote for Presidents in India. The president was selected by the ruling party"

The President of India is voted by electoral college. We live in a representative democracy. Just because the President is voted by electoral college doesn't mean they are not elected. Keep in mind that the Prime Minister of India is also not directly elected, they are chosen by the Lok Sabha.

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