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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Not OP (and not a fan of his whataboutism plus you don't deserve to be downvoted) but I think the issue is that India is so large and diverse that commentators can be right and wrong at the exact same time when painting a brush with the term "India". When social and political norms can vary within individual states, let alone the entire country, it causes people to feel reporting about very negative or very positive…

> Add to that the fact that most Western media isn't biased (I've worked with them) Have you forgotten the New York Times job ad for South Asia Business Correspondent for India? Since you say Western media isn't biased and that you have worked with them, I would like to see at least one huff piece published by Western media on Modi/BJP. Surely there has to be at least one article to counter all the anti-Modi/anti-BJP…

> Have you forgotten the New York Times job ad for South Asia Business Correspondent for India?

The NYT is not the primary source of truth for policymakers in the United States.

I agree there are a number of issues with the NYT's Delhi office, and a lot of that stems from bad pay.

The media ecosystem in the US works the same way as how the media works pin India. I haven't seen very nuanced discussions about American institutions in the Dainik Jagran, Hindustan Times, or WION either.

> Yeah and since when has Western media ever understood this nuance?

In the Media that is actually consumed and read and used by policymakers like when I was on the Hill, as well as in the educational programs that bring future Americans into the Foreign Service.

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Disconnect and build a network of trust.

Or build walled gardens inside the connected world. Dunbar's number, right?

Doesn’t that just create echo chambers?

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What's with India and the shift towards the right? I thought it had too many religions and different cultures to pull this off.

these days lots of Indian twitter accounts that shown on my feed are itching for Hindutva. P.S Not an Indian so Idk how they appeared on my feed.

Here's the definition of Hindutva according to the Supreme Court, if anyone's curious

“Hindutva is understood as a way of life of state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism…it is a fallacy and error of law to proceed on the assumption…that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practicing any religion other than the Hindu religion.”

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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I take an authentic image with a camera, crop out the part of it that it's not aligned with my goals, put a reference to the authentic image. How do you get the authentic image to compare it with my edit? And how do you solve the problem of a powerful entity telling you that the cropped image is authentic, or there will be consequences? People know what's going on, they bend for fear of breaking. No technology is cha…

You have to provide authentic image with your image for it to validate, just as you have to supply any intermediate certificates in TLS. If you want to crop to hide information you have to do this while taking the photo in the camera app. Powerful entity can tell you to install their root certificate just like it happens in China. This is a different problem.

Just to provide some context : The reason people believe this particular doctored (or AI enhanced) image "could be true" is because this "toolkit approach" has been employed by the Left Wing in India. The Right Wing in India regularly points it out on Twitter. So if both sides are slinging mud, its race to the bottom for the getting lowest common denominator on their side. I sometimes wish why can't we unbundle these left vs right issues and decide stuff case by case. Hence I support TruthGPT by Elon.

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I am amazed that the title is allowed to stand despite the original title and the content. The origin of the image is unclear. Sure, one can speculate that "India ruling party's IT cell" is behind the morphed image. This is what this comment section is for. But without hard proof the title is as much of an propaganda as are the morphed image. Are we going to tag everything a Democrat does as "US ruling party's" doing…

this, @dang please review the title

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> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

"Verified" is now an anti-signal. It's more likely than not to indicate that the poster is a crank who's paying money to have their opinions disseminated.

Not true of the organisation verification.

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I haven't even included UPI in this which has been an absolute game changer. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together would know how transformational UPI has been to India and growth of India in the past few years. But yeah we should neglect all that because the West said so. Sure there are problems in India just like there are problems in every other country in the World. But when it comes to India, the problems ar…

>> I haven't even included UPI in this which has been an absolute game changer.

Wasn't the work on UPI started in 2009 and the vision statement was prepared in 2012, 2 years before Modi/BJP came to power?

>> In April 2009, National Payment Corporation of India (NPCI) was formed to integrate all the payment mechanisms in India and make them uniform for all retail payments. RBI in 2012 released a vision statement for a period of four years that indicated commitment towards building a safe, efficient, accessible, inclusive, interoperable and authorized payment and settlement system in India. UPI was officially launched in 2016 for public use. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Exactly. Even when a major TV channels was busting fake news in my country, people just switched to other govt-sponsored (bribed?) channel to hear what they wanted to hear. It became a common meme to say that major TV channel has an agenda (and either silence or whataboustism ensues once people are questioned about the actual fake news).

People will always switch to the brand of media that shows the truth that validates their existing beliefs. Today, there are a handful of "belief buckets" to choose from. In the USA, you have conservative news channels and mainstream news channels. You can pick your favorite source of truth, but they come as a package deal. If you strongly believe X is factual, you'll tune in to the channel that presents X as factual…

Just use the word "Filter Bubble". It's cleaner. /Facebook meme

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Is "Congress party also bad!" still a primary defence of Mr. Modi who is in power for about 10 years now? I think NRIs are praising Modi because he is helping with the fall of Rupee as compared to other currencies so NRIs get maximum return when they send home USD. Will you be able to share some examples of "at least doing some work in various areas"? 1. I see BJP government as expert in data manipulator and creating…

Ok I will bite. I travel to India once or twice a year for both pleasure and business. I can only tell you what I feel and see. I see incredible infrastructure changes even though India still has long way to go compared to other developed or even developing nations. Tons of airports being built and improved. Many highways being built and even completed in last few years. "changed the calculation method to measure the…

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How will we verify photos and videos without dissolving in to endless speculation? I’m genuinely asking as this is something I’ve been worried about for a while. The only thing I can think of is storing a hash or “phash” with a trusted third party that can then be used to later verify which image is the original. For video, store the hash/phash of the frames with timestamps. But would that even work? How do you back-…

You can't. All photos may be fake or manipulated. You can't trust a photo. You need to decide if you trust those who are vouching for a particular photo.
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