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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by jfengel »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #118
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

You can make a distinction between empirical truths and things (often claims) that are right and wrong. The former has no 'history'; while the latter is contextual and tied up in the practice and expression of reasons , which is to say, it is essentially historical and cultural. That's really all that postmodern thought says really. Naturally, for a government to be right or wrong, requires that citizens be critical…

Even empirical truth has a remarkable degree of social construction. Consider the notion of "force", as empirical as it gets. But then you look at relativity or even just centrifugal force. Scientific revolutions consist of reinterpreting objective facts.

It's not just "nothing is real", which is just intellectual laziness. It's noting that we always interpret the world; we can't avoid it. Ordinary interactions usually arrive at similar interpretations, but people have a remarkable way of being influenced in that judgment. And sometimes that can lead to some really bad outcomes. It's important to recognize that the potential is always there even in things that seem obvious.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by pimlottc »

hiatus wrote: post #144
pimlottc wrote: post #77

I’m wondering if someone can comment on the cultural aspect here. It seems like adding the smiles was intended to discredit the protesters, by somehow suggesting the protest was insincere. But I feel like you could interpret this the other way too: even in the face of brutal treatment, they maintain a positive and peaceful attitude and don’t let their opponents break their spirits. “Turn the other cheek” and “love yo…

Think to yourself, would a captor modify the images of the imprisoned for a benevolent purpose?

Obviously not, that’s not what I’m trying to suggest. Only that it seemed to me — as a non-Indian western observer - like an odd way to discredit them.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

joshspankit wrote: post #114

How will we verify photos and videos without dissolving in to endless speculation? I’m genuinely asking as this is something I’ve been worried about for a while. The only thing I can think of is storing a hash or “phash” with a trusted third party that can then be used to later verify which image is the original. For video, store the hash/phash of the frames with timestamps. But would that even work? How do you back-…

No, that would not work. You can apply a filter and immediately after compute a hash. For now, the fake pictures are rather easy to spot to a trained eye.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by Superblazer »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #70
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #37

What's with India and the shift towards the right? I thought it had too many religions and different cultures to pull this off.

BJP in India does not fight elections based on any development agendas like education/healthcare or social security. They pretends to the majority Hindu public that "Hindus are in danger from Muslims" and only BJP can protect them. They also project themselves as true nationalists and anyone having anti-government views is declared a "Pakistani" or anti-national. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/7/spike-in-anti-…

As terrible as the government is, i want the foreigners here to understand that op also has his own agenda, this above reply shows their intentions. All indian political parties are low quality trash in their own ways.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by qazpot »

pimlottc wrote: post #77

I’m wondering if someone can comment on the cultural aspect here. It seems like adding the smiles was intended to discredit the protesters, by somehow suggesting the protest was insincere. But I feel like you could interpret this the other way too: even in the face of brutal treatment, they maintain a positive and peaceful attitude and don’t let their opponents break their spirits. “Turn the other cheek” and “love yo…

> I’m wondering if someone can comment on the cultural aspect here. It seems like adding the smiles was intended to discredit the protesters, by somehow suggesting the protest was insincere.

This was to paint them as insincere and implying that protestors are on the payroll of .

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by salawat »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #124
tdehnel wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing in principle which prevents us from solving this problem. We cannot predict which new knowledge will solve it. But we can say that if we don’t solve it, it will be our fault for not producing the required knowledge fast enough.

Alternatively, it could be our fault for creating a world in which that fast growth in knowledge is required. We didn't have to pursue technologies that make the centralization of power and control easier and easier.

Centralization is technology.

There will always be people looking at any advancement and figuring out how to leverage it to expand their personal capability to project power. Nothing is immune to it. Even primitives of decentralization can be leveraged in a way that defacto centralization is the inevitable outcome.

You don't research things that can't be centralized. You just don't centralize. The cost there though. Is then you have to accept certain things just ain't gonna happen.

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Post by ceejayoz »

hutzlibu wrote: post #136
ceejayoz wrote: post #109

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Geographic location isn’t the only aspect of “Global North/South”. Australia is considered part of the North grouping.

Sure, same with west/east https://xkcd.com/503/ But it still makes no sense to me, to exclude russia from the global north.

There’s a pretty clear split between Russia and the nations in the “Global North”. Almost all of them have Russia under severe sanctions right now.

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Post by dmix »

capableweb wrote: post #26
dmix wrote: post #21

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Is that an all female police squad?

> Is that an all female police squad? Not to assume anyone's gender here, but does it look like a all female police squad? https://i.imgur.com/OSnyrFH.jpg

A squad can exist within a larger group of officers.

I didn’t ask if “there only female law enforcement at this event”.

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Post by hutzlibu »

ceejayoz wrote: post #157
hutzlibu wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, same with west/east https://xkcd.com/503/ But it still makes no sense to me, to exclude russia from the global north.

There’s a pretty clear split between Russia and the nations in the “Global North”. Almost all of them have Russia under severe sanctions right now.

There also was never a clear political union between geographical west and east. I think it just makes no sense using these terminology.

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Post by ryder9 »

tdehnel wrote: post #125
pjc50 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Verified" is now an anti-signal. It's more likely than not to indicate that the poster is a crank who's paying money to have their opinions disseminated.

It was an anti-signal before.

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