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Downtown San Francisco is at a tipping-point

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Re: Downtown San Francisco is at a tipping-point

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Post by carapace »

twelve40 wrote: post #185
carapace wrote: post #146

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I've lived in SF for about half a century. I've also read up on the history of SF. What you're saying about "Urban homelessness is ... not even a new phenomenon to San Francisco!" is very much true, at least since the Gold Rush. I believe our Emperor Norton III was, technically, by modern standards, homeless, although the city was his palace. What changed was the influx of more-or-less normal people. San Francisco ha…

> Civic Center and the Tenderloin should be condemned and razed maybe the loin, but how does razing the Civic Center help? that area by itself is one of the nicest areas you can think of: a wide-open park-like place to walk around and enjoy the city. What would you even replace it with? and how would it help the problem of those people still around, who would shift to soma or elsewhere nearby.

I haven't been down to the Civic Center in ages, I just checked it out on the Google st. view and it looks like they already cleared it out.

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Post by zmnd »

arp242 wrote: post #188
zmnd wrote: post #166

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If there were a few studies, and it's overwhelmingly successful, why do you think it's difficult to find the results? SF spends something like 90k per homeless person, conducting an experiment with 3k per person sounds like a drop in a bucket. I bet, showing great results on a group of 100 people, would get more investments into this experiment.

> If there were a few studies, and it's overwhelmingly successful, why do you think it's difficult to find the results? The internet is big and I just didn't look for it very long. > I bet, showing great results on a group of 100 people, would get more investments into this experiment. You'd think so, but policy is often penny wise and pound foolish. I think the biggest obstacle is that "free money" just doesn't fit…

> The internet is big and I just didn't look for it very long.

You'd think so, but for the majority of homeless programs I was interested in, I couldn't find any data. For example, I was trying to find efficacy of tiny villages, what are their goals, how they track graduation rate. What's even their success criteria? Nothing, despite my decent google-fu.

> You'd think so, but policy is often penny wise and pound foolish. I think the biggest obstacle is that "free money" just doesn't fit in our culture very well (or maybe it just doesn't fit human nature).

For policies, sure. What about non-profits? Why wouldn't someone who believes in the efficacy of such methodology organize something like that? Changing someone's life for the better with only 3k sounds like a no-brainer to me. I would personally contribute financially and direct other people to contribute.

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Post by mattigames »

truckerbill wrote: post #192
mattigames wrote: post #190

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Burning houses = affordable empty lot. > Start by doing real politics not a junta Because doing that has worked great so far right? You keep ignoring the problem and pretending that billionaires will allow any change to happen and people just need to go and get into politics.

It's worked before. Some places in the world have a healthier housing situation and it didn't happen by accident. Politics doesn't go away no matter how many buildings you burn down.

Yeah, ask AOC or Bernie how good is working out to get the country to get some affordable housing/healthcare/etc. It's broken beyond repair, but you keep believing whatever helps you sleep at night.

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Post by RhodesianHunter »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #195
RhodesianHunter wrote: post #194

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Read page 32 of your own document.

Where it says "Number and Percentage of People in Poverty by State"?

And where it shows California at 11%, fairly low on the list

Re: Downtown San Francisco is at a tipping-point

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Post by rufus_foreman »

RhodesianHunter wrote: post #204
rufus_foreman wrote: post #195

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Where it says "Number and Percentage of People in Poverty by State"?

And where it shows California at 11%, fairly low on the list

11% is not the number for the Supplemental Poverty Measure. The percentage for the Supplemental Poverty Measure is under the heading SPM. It's 15.4% for California, which is the highest of any state. D.C. is at 16.5%, but D.C. is not a state.
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