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Downtown San Francisco is at a tipping-point

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Re: Downtown San Francisco is at a tipping-point

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Post by pas »

mattigames wrote: post #190
truckerbill wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

burning houses = less houses. Start by doing real politics not a junta

Burning houses = affordable empty lot. > Start by doing real politics not a junta Because doing that has worked great so far right? You keep ignoring the problem and pretending that billionaires will allow any change to happen and people just need to go and get into politics.

there are enough lots (or owners who are happy to sell their apartment, so the building that would get demolished could), but then the dear neighbors make every effort to prevent building a nice dense housing tower, so they don't get built. it's that simple. burning down a building doesn't change the drivers of zoning

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Post by truckerbill »

mattigames wrote: post #190
truckerbill wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

burning houses = less houses. Start by doing real politics not a junta

Burning houses = affordable empty lot. > Start by doing real politics not a junta Because doing that has worked great so far right? You keep ignoring the problem and pretending that billionaires will allow any change to happen and people just need to go and get into politics.

It's worked before. Some places in the world have a healthier housing situation and it didn't happen by accident. Politics doesn't go away no matter how many buildings you burn down.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

phpisthebest wrote: post #181
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #152

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You can easily move from Texas to California (greyhound flows are still vastly biased that way). You can’t easily move from Greece to Finland. It isn’t comparable at all, in fact, the fallacious premises you hold are why we can’t make any progress on this problem despite dumping billions of dollars of resources into it (LA alone has a $1.3b/year budget for the problem).

You believe migration from Texas to California is the reason LA has wasted 1.3 Billion on failed homeless programs? What evidence do you have to support that claim...

Not just Texas, from the whole country. Texas is just the second biggest state out there and lacks social programs, also I took a greyhound across the USA when I was a kid and saw it first hand.

Think about it: lots of people from LA aren’t from LA or even California, why would its unhoused population be any different? The same is true with Seattle, Portland and San Francisco. We have freedom of movement in the USA, anyone can just show up and live in a city without permission, it isn’t like the “EU” as you claimed. Free migration of people means that if any city or state decides to just give housing to all its unhoused population, unhoused in the rest of the country would quickly congregate on that place. No, we don’t have that in Seattle or LA yet, but the sucky social services in those places is way better than Great Falls MT or Houston TX. So people come.

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Post by RhodesianHunter »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #169
RhodesianHunter wrote: post #165

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If you don't understand per-capita and why raw sums are meaningless in context of the most populous state then I don't know what to tell you.

The numbers are a percentage of people in poverty by state.

Read page 32 of your own document.

Re: Downtown San Francisco is at a tipping-point

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Post by rufus_foreman »

RhodesianHunter wrote: post #194
rufus_foreman wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The numbers are a percentage of people in poverty by state.

Read page 32 of your own document.

Where it says "Number and Percentage of People in Poverty by State"?

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Post by jscipione »

Gunnerhead wrote: post #187
jscipione wrote: post #157

Vote Republican to solve the problem, or vote Democrat to make it worse.

I have no dog in this fight, but curious what policies or plans do Republicans have to fix an issue like this?

Lower taxes, lower regulations especially for home builders, reduce immigration, mass deportation of illegals saving trillions of dollars in education and other costs, end bail reform, end reparations, allocate funds to cleanup homeless encampments, create new job opportunities, grant liability protections for police so they can do their jobs, crack down on crime by empowering judges and district attorneys, end the green energy initiatives that are costing the state billions, do a full audit.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jscipione wrote: post #196
Gunnerhead wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no dog in this fight, but curious what policies or plans do Republicans have to fix an issue like this?

Lower taxes, lower regulations especially for home builders, reduce immigration, mass deportation of illegals saving trillions of dollars in education and other costs, end bail reform, end reparations, allocate funds to cleanup homeless encampments, create new job opportunities, grant liability protections for police so they can do their jobs, crack down on crime by empowering judges and district attorneys, end the g…

> reduce immigration, mass deportation of illegals saving trillions of dollars in education and other costs

That is actually going to drive home construction rates though the roof. Part of the labor shortage in construction is a result of reduced illegal immigration. Who could ever tell by the day laborers standing in front of Home Depot that illegal immigration was so entangled with construction?

> end the green energy initiatives that are costing the state billions,

So cede the entire green energy to China? Smart, it would also solve our illegal immigration problem as the USA would be less desirable economically.

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Post by jscipione »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #197
jscipione wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lower taxes, lower regulations especially for home builders, reduce immigration, mass deportation of illegals saving trillions of dollars in education and other costs, end bail reform, end reparations, allocate funds to cleanup homeless encampments, create new job opportunities, grant liability protections for police so they can do their jobs, crack down on crime by empowering judges and district attorneys, end the g…

> reduce immigration, mass deportation of illegals saving trillions of dollars in education and other costs That is actually going to drive home construction rates though the roof. Part of the labor shortage in construction is a result of reduced illegal immigration. Who could ever tell by the day laborers standing in front of Home Depot that illegal immigration was so entangled with construction? > end the green ene…

Illegal immigrants take good paying jobs away from Americans. Employers seek illegal immigrants to lower their labor costs which is good for them but bad for the economy. It’s also morally wrong for 2 reasons: immigration is motivated by white genocide, and 2, it is a substitute for slavery by exploiting immigrants for their cheap manual labor. Green energy might be good for the long term but it is crushing the economy right now during the homelessness crisis.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jscipione wrote: post #198
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> reduce immigration, mass deportation of illegals saving trillions of dollars in education and other costs That is actually going to drive home construction rates though the roof. Part of the labor shortage in construction is a result of reduced illegal immigration. Who could ever tell by the day laborers standing in front of Home Depot that illegal immigration was so entangled with construction? > end the green ene…

Illegal immigrants take good paying jobs away from Americans. Employers seek illegal immigrants to lower their labor costs which is good for them but bad for the economy. It’s also morally wrong for 2 reasons: immigration is motivated by white genocide, and 2, it is a substitute for slavery by exploiting immigrants for their cheap manual labor. Green energy might be good for the long term but it is crushing the econo…

Then why is there a huge labor shortage in home building construction? Were all those Americans who are out there to do those well paying home building jobs? Are they at home watching FoxNews while complaining about illegal immigrants stealing their jobs to notice that their is still a labor shortage, especially in home building?

Green energy has nothing to do with the homelessness crisis. Yes, it might someday take away those well paying oil extraction jobs and replace them with wind turbine and solar panel installation jobs, but economically is positive or a no-op for everyone else.

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Post by jscipione »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #199
jscipione wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegal immigrants take good paying jobs away from Americans. Employers seek illegal immigrants to lower their labor costs which is good for them but bad for the economy. It’s also morally wrong for 2 reasons: immigration is motivated by white genocide, and 2, it is a substitute for slavery by exploiting immigrants for their cheap manual labor. Green energy might be good for the long term but it is crushing the econo…

Then why is there a huge labor shortage in home building construction? Were all those Americans who are out there to do those well paying home building jobs? Are they at home watching FoxNews while complaining about illegal immigrants stealing their jobs to notice that their is still a labor shortage, especially in home building? Green energy has nothing to do with the homelessness crisis. Yes, it might someday take…

The labor shortage is caused by crippling regulations on home building especially in California. Do you really think that Americans are unwilling to work construction jobs? The influx of so many illegals is suppressing wages and destroying the industry for American labor. The reason to vote Republican in 2024 is the same as in 1850: to end slavery, and the reason to vote Democrat is also the same, to preserve the institution of slavery.

Green energy provides negative return on investment, does not create jobs, and those funds could be better allocated solving homelessness.

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