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Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by jjcon »

adrian_b wrote: post #206
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #119

Adding fluoride to water has always seemed weird to me, since you can't control for how much water someone is drinking or account for different bodily factors like age and weight. I wonder why the European solution of adding it to salt isn't the default, especially given that iodized salt is already so popular and commonplace. As a general rule of thumb, I think it's interesting to scrutinize dosage recommendations a…

No, fluoride must not be added to any food or beverage, because it provides no benefits whatsoever when ingested. Fluoride is beneficial only when applied externally on the dental enamel, so that the fluoride ions will passively substitute the hydroxide ions. There is no known biological process that uses actively fluoride in the human body and excessive ingested fluoride has bad effects, e.g. bone damage. Therefore…

> it is beyond my power of understanding how this could be mandated by law in USA

It isn't mandated by law in the USA. All water contains some naturally occurring fluoride, some localities choose to add additional fluoride to their water in the USA but certainly not all. I'm pretty sure it is added in something like 60% of city water supplies.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by XorNot »

adrian_b wrote: post #262
XorNot wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point to one single data point which has found any negative effect on human bones from excess consumption of fluoridated water at town water concentrations? This should be easy since it's been done at enormous scale for decades so a huge quorum of people have spent their their lives drinking fluoridated water.

Skeletal fluorosis is well known to occur in regions where the natural drinking water has high fluoride content, e.g. in some regions from India and China. You need search no further than Wikipedia. I am not aware of any study about the incidence of fluorosis in places where the drinking water is fluoridated artificially, but it would be very difficult to do such studies, due to the lack of comprehensive past statist…

My dude people have died from ingesting too much water.

So you don't get to say "well obviously it's dangerous just cuz".

The dose makes the poison, and you are making a very specific claim about the dose.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by hkt »

tnel77 wrote: post #264
dash2 wrote: post #251

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Given that the health bureaucracies of many countries seem to disagree with you, you need to cite more evidence and sources to support this claim. You can't just do it by strong assertion.

>>You can't just do it by strong assertion. Sir, this is the internet. Sources are for the weak. Just type your response so it’s passionate and angry and people will believe you!

My father was a fluoride ion and was added to a city water supply! Are you telling me his sacrifice was in vain?! >:(

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by ianai »

2rsf wrote: post #265
dotancohen wrote: post #194

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Interesting. I use Sensodyne for a completely unrelated reason: it does not contain Sodium Laurel Sulfate. I have not had a cavity in my entire life, and I'm over 45.

What's the connection between the first and second claims you make? does SLS cause cavities?

Not sure for them but SLS can irritate sensitive skin.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by xupybd »

Auracle wrote: post #213
xupybd wrote: post #170

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Sometimes you don't need to rule everything else out to be confident in a diagnosis.

In this case it’s more “when all you have is a hammer (fluoride)…”

The therapy appears to be improving her teeth. Is there something I am missing?

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Post by tpush »

shrx wrote: post #224
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #119

Adding fluoride to water has always seemed weird to me, since you can't control for how much water someone is drinking or account for different bodily factors like age and weight. I wonder why the European solution of adding it to salt isn't the default, especially given that iodized salt is already so popular and commonplace. As a general rule of thumb, I think it's interesting to scrutinize dosage recommendations a…

EU citizen here, they're not putting it in salt here, but in toothpaste.

Salt is definitely commonly supplemented with fluoride, say least in Germany.

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Post by elif »

adrian_b wrote: post #206
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #119

Adding fluoride to water has always seemed weird to me, since you can't control for how much water someone is drinking or account for different bodily factors like age and weight. I wonder why the European solution of adding it to salt isn't the default, especially given that iodized salt is already so popular and commonplace. As a general rule of thumb, I think it's interesting to scrutinize dosage recommendations a…

No, fluoride must not be added to any food or beverage, because it provides no benefits whatsoever when ingested. Fluoride is beneficial only when applied externally on the dental enamel, so that the fluoride ions will passively substitute the hydroxide ions. There is no known biological process that uses actively fluoride in the human body and excessive ingested fluoride has bad effects, e.g. bone damage. Therefore…

> beyond my power of understanding how this could be mandated

There is of course the "that was the plan all along" hypothesis, that mild cognitive decay on a large scale is a useful outcome for control purposes.

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Post by ianai »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #137
xk_id wrote: post #83

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For the record, the only clinical evidence about Novamin is very vague.

For the record, the rest of the stuff I mentioned has middling evidence for effectiveness as well, it's just the things that worked out of the myriad of things I tried that didn't. The vitamin k complex and d thing especially has limited evidence (and recently a paper came out that showed k2 increasing artery calcification, which is concerning but maybe not as bad as one thinks since the really dangerous part of arte…

Reminds me a lot of my struggle with migraines before the recent, good treatments came out. I was facing a certainty of at least one migraine per day everyday of my life. Led me to trying all sorts of stuff. Not exactly the best experience but better than migraines.
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