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Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by scarface74 »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #199
scarface74 wrote: post #194

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How so? Why do you need the government to tell you which products you can use? If you don’t like the policies of a particular company, don’t use their products.

> If you don’t like the policies of a particular company, don’t use their products. So you're saying that the crack houses should be legal and open to all. Cool.

As opposed to the War on Drugs that just focused on minorities and the fact that cocaine has a lot lower penalties than the same amount of crack because of who uses it?

Or do you mean that when the drug epidemic hit “rural America” politicians started treating it “as a disease” instead of a moral failure when it was all about the “inner city” drug problem?

But either way, are you comparing going to a web page that stores data in the US that you can choose not to go to going to a crack house?

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by scarface74 »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #196
scarface_74 wrote: post #195

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The Shopify announcement was regarding fake goods. It was not regarding the GDPR > complaints mainly related to web stores hosted by the platform, found to have engaged in illegal practices, such as making fake offers and fake scarcity claims, supplying counterfeit goods or not providing their contact details. The GDPR basically makes it illegal for an EU online business to use any SaaS service in the US or in this c…

> The GDPR basically makes it illegal for an EU online business to use any SaaS service in the US or in this case Canada. No, only if they cannot comply with the law. > It was never meant to “protect” anyone. That is the opposite of true. I've seen it help internally at a data storage level, and seen people make use of it to protect themselves. You do not know what you are talking about.

> No, only if they cannot comply with the law.

So exactly how is an EU citizen suppose to use a service like Shopify - that has to store PII - and that’s not based in the EU?

> That is the opposite of true. I've seen it help internally at a data storage level, and seen people make use of it to protect themselves. You do not know what you are talking about.

And it also killed a small business who wanted to use Shopify to sell completely legal things.

Not to mention that the same EU that is being applauded for “protecting your privacy” is trying to get a law passed so they can have a backdoor to any W2s encrypted methods.

It’s not that they want to protect your privacy. They just want to be the only ones who can surveil you.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by themitigating »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #155
Tangurena2 wrote: post #140

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The name for it is Boulwarism [0]. It is a "take it or leave it" attitude. You see it every day when presented with an "I agree" checkbox/button. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulwarism

I don't see the difference from normal pricing, it's take it or leave it in nearly all retail contexts nowadays.

Businesses are not animals, it's immoral

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Post by dinvlad »

bionhoward wrote: post #60
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #28

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> I am a fan of no regulation unless actual harm has been shown first. I used to be, but some of the modern crop of CEOs has taken the wind out of that. They have done tremendous damage, very quickly, and the regulation has been unable to keep up, until severe damage has already been done. Once the bullet has left the gun, it can't be stuffed back in.

Can you be more specific, with examples? Who did what?

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Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by themitigating »

chii wrote: post #88
themitigating wrote: post #66

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Why wait until harm occurs to regulate?

Why pay a cost to regulate, if it may not ever be needed?

Assuming there's reasonable probability that something could go wrong you don't wait. It's better to be proactive instead of reactive

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Post by revelio »

dijit wrote: post #191
revelio wrote: post #189

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It's hilarious that you think standards like "best effort" are clear. The lawyers in your company are loud about it because you have no way to know if you're in compliance or not. You're just hoping you are. The whole concept of compliance doesn't even exist because GDPR says nothing, so at any moment something that sounds reasonable can be considered no longer in compliance and there's no way to predict this. A stan…

Best effort has a fairly precise legal definition: The principles for satisfying “best efforts” standard have been enumerated as follows: * "Best efforts" imposes a higher obligation than a legal "reasonable effort". * "Best efforts" means taking, in good faith, all reasonable steps to achieve the objective, carrying the process to its logical conclusion and leaving no stone unturned. However, it does not require a p…

None of those definitions are precise, they are actually circular? I don't really understand how to debate with someone who can't see that, we're just divided by something much deeper than some bullet points. Precision doesn't come from volume of words, it comes from clarity of thought. Defining "best effort" as "things known to be usual" is just playing with a thesaurus, it's not actually providing clarity.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by dijit »

revelio wrote: post #207
dijit wrote: post #191

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Best effort has a fairly precise legal definition: The principles for satisfying “best efforts” standard have been enumerated as follows: * "Best efforts" imposes a higher obligation than a legal "reasonable effort". * "Best efforts" means taking, in good faith, all reasonable steps to achieve the objective, carrying the process to its logical conclusion and leaving no stone unturned. However, it does not require a p…

None of those definitions are precise, they are actually circular? I don't really understand how to debate with someone who can't see that, we're just divided by something much deeper than some bullet points. Precision doesn't come from volume of words, it comes from clarity of thought. Defining "best effort" as "things known to be usual" is just playing with a thesaurus, it's not actually providing clarity.

You need to read more legal documents mate.

I guess the reason people are scared is that GDPR is the first legal text they ever came into contact with. These are really common legal terms which have huge numbers precedence attached.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by thunkshift1 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #200
thunkshift1 wrote: post #157

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For starters to, say, protect privacy and intellectual property? Both of those areas are kind of under served in the current ai models landscape

you think Sam Altman wants to protect anyone else's IP other than his own? he's practically helped create an IP laundering machine

Thats exactly my point.

Its clear why sam altman wants it, the comment was about why people should have fair, just regulation— not the ones pushed by corporate agenda.

Re: Sam Altman Says OpenAI Will Leave the EU If There's Any Real AI Regulation

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Post by revelio »

dijit wrote: post #208
revelio wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of those definitions are precise, they are actually circular? I don't really understand how to debate with someone who can't see that, we're just divided by something much deeper than some bullet points. Precision doesn't come from volume of words, it comes from clarity of thought. Defining "best effort" as "things known to be usual" is just playing with a thesaurus, it's not actually providing clarity.

You need to read more legal documents mate. I guess the reason people are scared is that GDPR is the first legal text they ever came into contact with. These are really common legal terms which have huge numbers precedence attached.

I've read plenty of legal texts and many are far more precise than this. Think tax law, for example. GDPR is certainly not the first. Yes, it's not the only example of vague law, but it's fairly unusual in its international scope, the size of the fines and the sheer absurdity of how many words it uses to say so little. At least compared to Anglo law.
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