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European salary data without taxation and benefits is useless.
Taxation is highly dependent on location and personal factors (single income vs double income household) and other factors that are irrelevant in this context. Also "benefits" in the American sense aren't really a thing in the EU.
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I don't know "the american sense", but benfits are definetely a thing in Belgium. I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.
> I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars. Honest question: How useful is when we frequently hear that Europe doesn't use cars as much as in the US? I can't fathom someone in a major European city finding much use for a car.
50-70%+ of all Europeans who live in urban areas commute by car*
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
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Also Switzerland (or Scandinavia for that matter) which pays similar to the US for tech jobs. Even academic jobs here pay exceptionally well compared to anywhere else in Europe. Starting salary for a good data scientist role (requiring some domain expertise) here is close to 100k CHF (not including Big Tech who can easily pay 1.5x more). Cost of living is high, but frankly London is comparable in terms of rent nowada…
Scandinavia is nothing like that, unfortunately.
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In the states, we'd be getting paid less if the companies should get away with it. And in the states, we definitely don't collectively bargain. So something else is the issue.
Yes, there are hardly any European companies with FAANG level profitability. Thats it.
We are getting absolutely fleeced by our American counterparts and paying higher taxes on top. Yet we're every bit as good developers, DevOps Engineers, SREs, you name it in tech. And cost of living in US metro areas vs Europe does not even begin to explain why. I wish we'd collectively take a harder stance on the bargaining line because it is insane to me we be paid half, a third less and then shell out very high ta…
Getting $250K is also attainable if you freelance, which is better than 90% of companies in the US pay.
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Yes, there are hardly any European companies with FAANG level profitability. Thats it.
No, that's mainly lack of single consumer market, and the markets being too small to meaningfully start B2C companies.
I myself live in Eastern Europe and make €60,000 per year gross, which is about the median pay for a developer in Western Europe. Tax rate is 35% so I'm left with =~ €40,000 net. Apart from real estate, prices are on par with Western Europe, meaning that food, energy, transportation cost about the same. I could make more but that would erode my competitive advantage, the employer needs to feel they're getting a good deal, so I also don't need to go above and beyond to prove myself, just do my job. With work from home there are also other possibilities which I won't discuss here, only that they landed me another €30,000 net last year, there's a saying in my native language which goes about "the gentle lamb sucks on two sheep" ;)
What makes the difference is real estate, my 65 square meters apartment + garage sells for about €100,000 and I'm renting another one as my home office for €300 per month (not including expenses, which add up to another €200 in the winter). My cousin who lives in Paris owns a 30 square meters apartment evaluated at €300,000+ and was asked a million euro for an 80 square meters one. Ridiculous if you ask me, he doesn't make vastly more than I do, in order to be able to afford the larger one.
I worked for varios European companies in the US traveling often and for long periods of time to Europe for work. I must say at least in places like Austria and Germany things like groceries, utilities and eating out seem to be considerably cheaper (and much better). I'm currently paying $250 per month for water in the US for a household of three and this is not in San Francisco. We also work more hours in general. M…
Check salaries in Austria. The you realize why stuff is cheaper there.
The figures are inflated because they focus on outliers. The vast majority of employers in EU are plain boring companies, telekom, industrial, automotive, and products that have a market but not that of Google, Facebook, Amazon. There's little difference between the salary of a software developer and that of a teacher or police officer, developers in EU here are less of a privileged caste isolated in their hundreds o…
That's a very good salary for Romania. Can I ask your seniority level. DO you work for a company on a local employment contract or freelance for outside remote companies?
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