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Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #29
emptysongglass wrote: post #28

We are getting absolutely fleeced by our American counterparts and paying higher taxes on top. Yet we're every bit as good developers, DevOps Engineers, SREs, you name it in tech. And cost of living in US metro areas vs Europe does not even begin to explain why. I wish we'd collectively take a harder stance on the bargaining line because it is insane to me we be paid half, a third less and then shell out very high ta…

In the states, we'd be getting paid less if the companies should get away with it. And in the states, we definitely don't collectively bargain. So something else is the issue.

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Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by woobar »

emptysongglass wrote: post #28

We are getting absolutely fleeced by our American counterparts and paying higher taxes on top. Yet we're every bit as good developers, DevOps Engineers, SREs, you name it in tech. And cost of living in US metro areas vs Europe does not even begin to explain why. I wish we'd collectively take a harder stance on the bargaining line because it is insane to me we be paid half, a third less and then shell out very high ta…

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You like your social safety net? You like stronger worker protection? Long vacations? Someone has to pay for all of it. Either through higher taxes or lower wages.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by carom »

mahmoudhossam wrote: post #5
negamax wrote: post #2

European salary data without taxation and benefits is useless.

Taxation is highly dependent on location and personal factors (single income vs double income household) and other factors that are irrelevant in this context. Also "benefits" in the American sense aren't really a thing in the EU.

Pretty sure a month or two of vacation is common in the EU.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by emptysongglass »

woobar wrote: post #33
emptysongglass wrote: post #28

We are getting absolutely fleeced by our American counterparts and paying higher taxes on top. Yet we're every bit as good developers, DevOps Engineers, SREs, you name it in tech. And cost of living in US metro areas vs Europe does not even begin to explain why. I wish we'd collectively take a harder stance on the bargaining line because it is insane to me we be paid half, a third less and then shell out very high ta…

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You like your social safety net? You like stronger worker protection? Long vacations? Someone has to pay for all of it. Either through higher taxes or lower wages.

I have to take out salary insurance because welfare benefits wouldn't even begin to cover living expenses. You have such a thing in the US too. In Denmark, it's easy to fire and easy to hire (let at hyre og fyre [1]) so what am I liking here? At US Google I understand it's 30 days paid time off a calendar year: that's the same standard as Europe.

Yet Google will happily pay the same role less than half when hired here.

I've done my research: this is cultural inertia, as another commenter alluded to. "We pay this much because that's what the market rate is for [country in Europe]".

[1] https://www.detdanskearbejdsmarked.dk/den-danske-model/portr...

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by mahmoudhossam »

carom wrote: post #34
mahmoudhossam wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxation is highly dependent on location and personal factors (single income vs double income household) and other factors that are irrelevant in this context. Also "benefits" in the American sense aren't really a thing in the EU.

Pretty sure a month or two of vacation is common in the EU.

Only those aren't benefits, they're basic rights protected by law.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #29
emptysongglass wrote: post #28

We are getting absolutely fleeced by our American counterparts and paying higher taxes on top. Yet we're every bit as good developers, DevOps Engineers, SREs, you name it in tech. And cost of living in US metro areas vs Europe does not even begin to explain why. I wish we'd collectively take a harder stance on the bargaining line because it is insane to me we be paid half, a third less and then shell out very high ta…

In the states, we'd be getting paid less if the companies should get away with it. And in the states, we definitely don't collectively bargain. So something else is the issue.

Yes, there are hardly any European companies with FAANG level profitability. Thats it.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

mahmoudhossam wrote: post #18
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> constitutes the bulk of benefits in the US. What? What do you mean by bulk?

As in healthcare is very expensive over there and that most of it is tied to the employer. I'm not sure what you're asking here.

It is expensive but salaries are also higher. Most people pay a few hundred at max per month on several thousand dollars of salary.

I am not sure what you mean by saying "constitutes the bulk of benefits in the US"

https://www.statista.com/statistics/631987/percent-of-income...

Do you mean outside of plain salary, medical benefits are the highest?

I think that may be more correct.

But even that may not be universally true. For folks in software, at least matching retirement benefits will outweigh medical benefits

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

Yujf wrote: post #7
mahmoudhossam wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxation is highly dependent on location and personal factors (single income vs double income household) and other factors that are irrelevant in this context. Also "benefits" in the American sense aren't really a thing in the EU.

I don't know "the american sense", but benfits are definetely a thing in Belgium. I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.

> I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.

Honest question: How useful is when we frequently hear that Europe doesn't use cars as much as in the US? I can't fathom someone in a major European city finding much use for a car.

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