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Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by FormerBandmate »

theaussiestew wrote: post #66
motohagiography wrote: post #52

When the Snowden docs came out, the main thing that surprised me wasn't the tech, it was the scale. I thought I had seen the tip of the iceberg doing security work for over 15y prior, but I had barely seen ripples in the surface. Most of what I saw would have been in the category of "BULLRUN," which I incorporate into client threat models today, but also some of the ISP interception equipment I saw at peering points…

Very eloquently phrased. Some of the commonly accepted truths and geopolitics narratives are quite disturbing and actually very Orwellian in a genuine (and not clichéd) sense. Narratives around China and Russia, narratives around our own liberty are completed warped, and to speak out singles you out. There’s definitely a chilling effect about what is acceptable to talk about and what isn’t. See my other comment on th…

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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by FormerBandmate »

theaussiestew wrote: post #97
landryraccoon wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A decade later, participation in elite circles like media, academia, and politics is based on how convincingly one can be seen to parrot obvious untruths, not because anyone believes them at all, but because it signals status to be able to lie to the faces of people who know you are doing it, and still say nothing. I don’t understand this. Can you elaborate on what untruths you mean? Who’s parroting these lies?

Basically anyone who sits at a panel, interview or a discussion and talks about geopolitical affairs. It’s the space around politics and think tanks and national security. There’s an implicit expectation that you talk about certain topics in a certain way, and that way usually conforms to the narrative that’s acceptable to the apparatus of power. It’s a vague description but that’s because of the nature of this unspo…

Russia commits countless war crimes on a daily basis (there is tons of documentation) and China has concentration camps. America is not perfect but they are legitimately much worse

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #121
theaussiestew wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very eloquently phrased. Some of the commonly accepted truths and geopolitics narratives are quite disturbing and actually very Orwellian in a genuine (and not clichéd) sense. Narratives around China and Russia, narratives around our own liberty are completed warped, and to speak out singles you out. There’s definitely a chilling effect about what is acceptable to talk about and what isn’t. See my other comment on th…

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> It's important to remember that they invaded Ukraine for no reason

This is not true. Real people have motives, „being evil“ is a child's explanation for things it doesn’t understand.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

vlovich123 wrote: post #109
ls612 wrote: post #77

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He claimed that he was actually jailed in retaliation for not playing ball with the NSA before 9/11. Idk if what he did specifically is something you’d usually be charged with insider trading or fraud for, which would seem to me the best indirect evidence of who’s story is right.

The whole situation was a mess. One of the things Nachio was accused of was inflating the share price by making statements that growth would continue when it didn’t. However, the reason it maybe didn’t is that the CIA blocked the lucrative contracts that Qwest was otherwise eligible for in retaliation for Nachio not going along with their request for illegally wiretapping everyone (he asked for a court order). Sudden…

Dual reconstruction == parallel construction right?

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by trunic »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #25
iJohnDoe wrote: post #14

I think people would be surprised and sickened to know just how cooperative the big tech companies are with the intelligence agencies. Microsoft is especially cooperative, even as going so far to make sure their systems are compatible with surveillance systems. Yes, Telcos have had to this as well, but I don’t think many people know that Microsoft has proactively done this.

Microsoft is also responsible for the Orwellian (and as far as I know still secret/closed source) PhotoDNA, which is an incredible tool for censorship and surveillance. A lot of people are dead or in jail because of that software, and not just “predators”.

It's only used to match on known child sexual abuse images. If you're someone who has collected any of these, then you deserve to be locked up in jail. No excuses.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by redeeman »

pstuart wrote: post #113
redeeman wrote: post #108

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Joe is gaffe prone, and from the article that I linked to he apparently said the words but misspoke. I voted for Joe and I like the guy but I've definitely got issues with him. He certainly wasn't my first choice. But you appear to be a True Believer and there's no point in furthering this discussion because you mind is made up and that's that.

no, I also believe he misspoke, but the point was, "we" take trumps jokes at total face value, as to actually believe he asked the russians, where if you watch the video, and know anything about how trump talks, you know he was not really asking them to do that, but making a joke. Something he often does. It may have been a stupid joke to make, all things considered, but it was one nonetheless.

If you can suspend blind faith in the media narrative and out-of-context clips, and smear campaigns, and see what the man said, you'd see that too.

Trump is a moron for many many reasons, but not what they accuse him of

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by rocketnasa »

theaussiestew wrote: post #97
landryraccoon wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A decade later, participation in elite circles like media, academia, and politics is based on how convincingly one can be seen to parrot obvious untruths, not because anyone believes them at all, but because it signals status to be able to lie to the faces of people who know you are doing it, and still say nothing. I don’t understand this. Can you elaborate on what untruths you mean? Who’s parroting these lies?

Basically anyone who sits at a panel, interview or a discussion and talks about geopolitical affairs. It’s the space around politics and think tanks and national security. There’s an implicit expectation that you talk about certain topics in a certain way, and that way usually conforms to the narrative that’s acceptable to the apparatus of power. It’s a vague description but that’s because of the nature of this unspo…

> there’s a talk show host called Tucker Carlson who goes around talking about how Democrats are ridiculous and holds all these inflammatory and demagogue views on air, but is known to be completely normal and reasonable off air and in his private life.

Exactly what Peter Pomerantsev described of domestic Russia in 2014. https://youtu.be/5Au332OG-M4?t=980

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