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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by redeeman »

vlovich123 wrote: post #106
redeeman wrote: post #92

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Makes a fun sound bite but given the context was he was speaking about a program for people to navigate voter suppression, do you really think he has a secret voter fraud plan and accidentally revealed it like that Politicians speak a lot and I know I myself can mix up words sometimes and I don’t speak nearly enough. > OK, trump wanted the TRUTH to come out, he wanted facts exposed to the american people, that admitt…

> Russia tried to hack Hillary Clinton’s office five hours after Trump called on Moscow to find her deleted emails

Emails that were deleted in a crime, that should have been public record. so while he may have been soliciting a crime (he didnt, and there were never charges, also, if you knew ANYTHING about trump, you knew he joked when he said that. but regardless), he wanted the truth to come out

> think that they have blackmail info on the RNC that they’re holding back because they have an agreement with the elites in that party.

yeah you think, but you have no evidence, its entirely possible there was nothing there, and we have some evidence to point to that, regardless of how criminal the RNC may have been(and they are for sure every bit as bad as the democrats), in that Trump has talked plenty about how he put great effort to not having any digital copies of important stuff that COULD be hacked, and in addition to that, invest in "cybersecurity"

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by nyolfen »

pstuart wrote: post #103
lern_too_spel wrote: post #79

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> People still believe this to this day. Who? It is accepted that Trump got help from Russia and that he publicly asked for it. It is not accepted that he has strong ties with Russia, and unlike what the GGP has claimed, there is no "official" story saying that. The only person who did say that was private investigator Steele, in a dossier that Clinton didn't believe and discarded but that McCain did and leaked.

As I understand it, the Wikileaks DNC email dump was just a front for Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

more realistically, it was israel: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-israel-collusi...

perhaps you recall trump’s first two acts in office — recognizing jerusalem as israel’s capital, and sanctioning russia. curious!

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by pstuart »

redeeman wrote: post #108
pstuart wrote: post #107

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The fact that you cite has been been shown to be false: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact-check-biden-voter-pr... From your enthusiasm I'm going to guess you'd not be satisfied with that fact.

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Joe is gaffe prone, and from the article that I linked to he apparently said the words but misspoke.

I voted for Joe and I like the guy but I've definitely got issues with him. He certainly wasn't my first choice.

But you appear to be a True Believer and there's no point in furthering this discussion because you mind is made up and that's that.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by dralley »

motohagiography wrote: post #52

When the Snowden docs came out, the main thing that surprised me wasn't the tech, it was the scale. I thought I had seen the tip of the iceberg doing security work for over 15y prior, but I had barely seen ripples in the surface. Most of what I saw would have been in the category of "BULLRUN," which I incorporate into client threat models today, but also some of the ISP interception equipment I saw at peering points…

>I tolerate the spook-adjacent types in my field who parrot absurd official lines and slogans about russian interference because being seen to align with it is just how they are trying to survive

I present to you a real, still-active Russian troll account.

https://twitter.com/blackintheempir

How do I know it's a troll account? Take a look at this: https://twitter.com/reshetz/status/1662112840554098688

Just like "There is no panic in Balakliya", there are occasionally moments when whole networks of these accounts tweet clearly scripted messages all at the same time which kind of gives the game away.

https://twitter.com/JoniPyysalo/status/1567799462751309826/p...

It's quite interesting to read, honestly. They have a decent pulse on what narratives are effective, but present it in such an consistently hamfisted and exaggerated form that it makes it just a bit too obvious if you're taking in more than one or two tweets. But it's twitter, most people don't do that.

We can argue about how effective this kind of stuff is, but that it's happening is pretty indisputable. You can say it's just a lie that everyone pretends to believe, but the documents leaked by Teixeira talk about this stuff in detail too.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russians-boasted-tha...

This document for example says that the Russian Main Scientific Computing Research Center internally reports that only 1% of their social media bot accounts get shut down.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA19...

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by theaussiestew »

hackerlight wrote: post #105
theaussiestew wrote: post #97

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Basically anyone who sits at a panel, interview or a discussion and talks about geopolitical affairs. It’s the space around politics and think tanks and national security. There’s an implicit expectation that you talk about certain topics in a certain way, and that way usually conforms to the narrative that’s acceptable to the apparatus of power. It’s a vague description but that’s because of the nature of this unspo…

> Basically anyone who sits at a panel, interview or a discussion and talks about geopolitical affairs. There’s an implicit expectation that you talk about certain topics in a certain way, and that way usually conforms to the narrative that’s acceptable to the apparatus of power. How do you know that this is true without mind reading or lie detection powers? I'm not being sarcastic. You see these people talking and h…

First, it’s because I noticed myself and others doing this through observation and intuition. Secondly, it’s because there are literally accounts and articles where these people say out loud what they’re doing. E.g The Tucker Carlson example wasn’t me just surmising something, I read it in an article where acquaintances literally said he held no outrageous views privately and was literally doing it to rile his audience up. Same for other Republican politicians who appear “rabid” and “crazy” in the Twittersphere to rile up their constituents, and then clock off work and behave completely normally, like flicking a switch. My impression is that the left thinks they’re morally superior for not supporting so called Republican crazies but they’re being played like a fiddle too, since they ALWAYS fall for this rage bait theatre and think that lambasting conservatives is actually constructive or achieves anything.

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Post by sanderjd »

bboygravity wrote: post #76
landryraccoon wrote: post #68

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> A decade later, participation in elite circles like media, academia, and politics is based on how convincingly one can be seen to parrot obvious untruths, not because anyone believes them at all, but because it signals status to be able to lie to the faces of people who know you are doing it, and still say nothing. I don’t understand this. Can you elaborate on what untruths you mean? Who’s parroting these lies?

Random examples that I can think of: Trump has/had (strong) ties with Russia, needed those Russian ties to win the election and used them to win the elections. People still believe this to this day. Globally.

The only incorrect part of that is that it played an important role in his winning the election. But that part isn't necessary for the whole thing to be very bad, in my view.

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Post by [deleted] »

redeeman wrote: post #92
api wrote: post #82

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Trump openly asked for help from Russia on national TV. I don’t see how the existence of some degree of Russian collusion is debatable given that it was done in the open. I do agree that there are people who vastly overestimate the extent or effectiveness of whatever Russia did do. Trump won due to general discontent with the status quo coupled with the fact that Hillary Clinton was a politically tone deaf candidate…

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Post by flangola7 »

leptons wrote: post #104
drumhead wrote: post #48

Realistically intelligence agencies have access to whatever information they want. If they can crack encryption they're not going to tell us and they will probably act like they can't. You're compromised and you have no secrets and can't hide anything from them. The best thing we can do is stay safe from criminals.

Take this as an anecdote, but I have a friend that works at the top of a large quantum computing program at a well known company and he related once that the government is making it very difficult for them to retain talent in the field and make progress. The government feels it has to be at the forefront of quantum tech because of the possibly game-changing encryption capabilities. It was a bit chilling to hear but n…

I find odd enjoyment in observing how one arm of the government is pushing for quantum surveillance abilities while another is urging everyone to quickly adopt PQC.

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Post by CTDOCodebases »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #14

I think people would be surprised and sickened to know just how cooperative the big tech companies are with the intelligence agencies. Microsoft is especially cooperative, even as going so far to make sure their systems are compatible with surveillance systems. Yes, Telcos have had to this as well, but I don’t think many people know that Microsoft has proactively done this.

Honestly I am not really surprised.

Companies only grow if they are allowed to otherwise they are legislated out of existence. I imagine that growth is actually encouraged if they are bearing fruit.

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Post by pstuart »

nyolfen wrote: post #112
pstuart wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, the Wikileaks DNC email dump was just a front for Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

more realistically, it was israel: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-israel-collusi... perhaps you recall trump’s first two acts in office — recognizing jerusalem as israel’s capital, and sanctioning russia. curious!

Ha! Makes sense.

I abhor partisan politics but there are things associated with (e.g., Trump) that call for scrutiny.

Trump is a fascinating character and has broken so many norms that it's been mind bending. It saddens me that HN has many of his rabid acolytes that make any such discussion a shit show.

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