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Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Taxation is highly dependent on location and personal factors (single income vs double income household) and other factors that are irrelevant in this context. Also "benefits" in the American sense aren't really a thing in the EU.

I don't know "the american sense", but benfits are definetely a thing in Belgium. I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.

Doesn't 60% of Belgium get company cars? Not something related to engineering, it's one of the basic perks a lot of people get.

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I don't know "the american sense", but benfits are definetely a thing in Belgium. I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.

I assume that cars are not seen as a taxable benefit in Belgium?

It is but at a hilariously cheap rate. It’s pennies on the dollar (or euro, in this case) compared to owning a car outright.

It’s a fringe benefit that was invented in order to enable employers to sweeten the pay package without having to straight up pay more, and respectively pay a lot more taxes.

We’ve a large bunch of these tax efficient fringe benefits in Belgium but the company car is by far the one that provides the most value.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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I don't know "the american sense", but benfits are definetely a thing in Belgium. I think like 60+% of engineers get company cars.

Doesn't 60% of Belgium get company cars? Not something related to engineering, it's one of the basic perks a lot of people get.

No, it’s definitely still a mostly white collar type job benefit, and about 14% of working people get a company car.

This translates to about half a million company cars.

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I assume that cars are not seen as a taxable benefit in Belgium?

It is but at a hilariously cheap rate. It’s pennies on the dollar (or euro, in this case) compared to owning a car outright. It’s a fringe benefit that was invented in order to enable employers to sweeten the pay package without having to straight up pay more, and respectively pay a lot more taxes. We’ve a large bunch of these tax efficient fringe benefits in Belgium but the company car is by far the one that provide…

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-company-car-conundru...

>Of the 6 million cars on Belgian roads, about 10 percent are company cars.

>Even a first job often comes with a car, and most employees also get unlimited fuel cards.

That sounds fucking crazy.

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>There's a huge difference in CoL between the mentioned metro areas. Then good thing the title is honest and explicitly says "salary benchmarks" and not CoL benchmarks. CoL varies from person and lifestyle.

cost of living is highly relevant when you compare salary data because it's one of the primary factors that determines the cost of labor. If you pay a Berlin salary in SF nobody's gonna show up because that doesn't cover your apartment rent. It tells you little about how much you effectively pocket. If you want to get some use out of this data you need to adjust it for purchasing power.

You’re right. Which is why it’s great that this link was posted. You can now take this available data and combine it with you understanding of the CoL on the various locations. Otherwise you’d only have a feel for the CoL.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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We are getting absolutely fleeced by our American counterparts and paying higher taxes on top. Yet we're every bit as good developers, DevOps Engineers, SREs, you name it in tech. And cost of living in US metro areas vs Europe does not even begin to explain why. I wish we'd collectively take a harder stance on the bargaining line because it is insane to me we be paid half, a third less and then shell out very high taxes on top (OK Bulgaria you get a pass).

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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We are getting absolutely fleeced by our American counterparts and paying higher taxes on top. Yet we're every bit as good developers, DevOps Engineers, SREs, you name it in tech. And cost of living in US metro areas vs Europe does not even begin to explain why. I wish we'd collectively take a harder stance on the bargaining line because it is insane to me we be paid half, a third less and then shell out very high ta…

In the states, we'd be getting paid less if the companies should get away with it.

And in the states, we definitely don't collectively bargain.

So something else is the issue.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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It is but at a hilariously cheap rate. It’s pennies on the dollar (or euro, in this case) compared to owning a car outright. It’s a fringe benefit that was invented in order to enable employers to sweeten the pay package without having to straight up pay more, and respectively pay a lot more taxes. We’ve a large bunch of these tax efficient fringe benefits in Belgium but the company car is by far the one that provide…

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-company-car-conundru... > Of the 6 million cars on Belgian roads, about 10 percent are company cars. > Even a first job often comes with a car, and most employees also get unlimited fuel cards. That sounds fucking crazy.

My dad had an unlimited fuel card for a company car, everyone used that car frivolously
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