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Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by netsharc »

wefarrell wrote: post #40
RobotToaster wrote: post #23

Mainstream press never really looks at the deeper causes of why these conspiracies exist in the first place. Looking at it dialectically, at least one possibility seems quite simple. Thesis: The government wants to make laws that attack workers, to make them pay for stopping climate change (that was primarily caused by corporations and their wealthy owners.) Antithesis: Workers don't want to be attacked. Synthesis: S…

Workers in developed countries have benefited from environmental exploitation. We can travel hundreds or miles in comfortable cars, or thousands of miles in a day in planes. We can enjoy bananas and other tropical fruit in northern latitudes in the winter. We can live in relatively large spaces that are heated. It’s the workers in developing countries who are lying the price. They’re the ones who are being told they…

There's always a richer class who people can be mad about. The incredibly well-off average Westerners (compared to factory workers in e.g. Bangladesh) then look at the CEOs and super-rich who fly on private planes and vacation on yachts and say "Look at those CEOs, profiteering off exploiting our hard work!" -- it doesn't mean they don't have a case, just look at Bezos and the average Amazon warehouse worker.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by whitemary »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #39

Given these people's response it seems rising oceans, droughts and extreme weather are not the main dangers of global warming, but instead the hordes of the mentally untethered looking for someone to blame for what they've warned about for years.

Maybe if the media wasn't effectively an appendage of the state and transparently lying on a regular basis, citizens would be a lot less vulnerable to bullshit.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by 128bytes »

croes wrote: post #37
RobotToaster wrote: post #23

Mainstream press never really looks at the deeper causes of why these conspiracies exist in the first place. Looking at it dialectically, at least one possibility seems quite simple. Thesis: The government wants to make laws that attack workers, to make them pay for stopping climate change (that was primarily caused by corporations and their wealthy owners.) Antithesis: Workers don't want to be attacked. Synthesis: S…

Thesis: Governments want to make laws to stop climate change Antithesis: Big corporation don't want to lose money, pay people to create disinformation campaign, claiming all is a ruse to get money from the workers and enforce woke lifestyles like veganism onto them. Synthesis: Some people believe them and attack scientists and politicians who actually try to safe mankind's environment

This analysis is silly because it neglects the fact that the poor are disproportionally reliant on polluting infrastructure that does not have any safe and affordable alternative, while also being those most affected by its dangers. Big corporations have ways to make lots of money from so called 'green technology' and they have the capital to diversify into it and they do, poor people do not.

People want to act like there's a simple solution but anyone whose analysed the situation closely enough realizes that climate change is already locked in and renewable technology is not a good enough replacement given the power output and resource wastage. There is no way to even reduce energy demand since any reduction from one entity will be made up for by another entity, nobody has any desire for meaningful degrowth. Now that we have AI just watch us spin up nuclear reactor after reactor, drinking the ocean, and leaving every beach bare for the sake of 'progress'.

Society is already collapsing into violence and BOE is a couple years away if we're lucky. There is a reason I don't bother investing in retirement. It's a tragedy and people are in denial.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by bryananderson »

olivermarks wrote: post #31
eesmith wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that dismisses people's concerns. What are those concerns? That most airlines spray chemicals that keep rain from falling on Spain? There's no reason to believe that's true. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory . Or concerns that governments aren't doing enough to prevent increased global warming? Or concerns that there's a conspiracy to promote the false story about global warming? Or…

Sadly Wikipedia has now lost all credibility, and is not a credible resource for anything even vaguely controversial. Many people think 'global warming' (or 'climate change' as it now called) is 80% snake oil and that there are many alarmist evangelizing grifters making a fortune and changing the global balance of power in its name. This is another failed example of 'trust me I'm a scientist' that has lost a large se…

> Many people think 'global warming' (or 'climate change' as it now called) is 80% snake oil and that there are many alarmist evangelizing grifters making a fortune and changing the global balance of power in its name.

Who cares at all what “many people think”? How is that even a relevant consideration when deciding what and how to report?

The job of media should not be to coddle people or be a “safe space” that validates their nutty notions, it should be to report the truth. Convey uncertainty when it exists, but don’t invent false balance just to make viewers feel better about themselves. The truth is climate change is real and chemtrails are not.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by brookst »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #35
GenerocUsername wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't say the weather isnt changing, he said the proposed solutions misplace the blame and spread the burdon of solutions disproportionatly from the source of the problem.

I do not really understand that “misplacing of the blame”. It’s an ordinary Joe who buys a car and a fuel for it. It is an ordinary Joe who hunts for cheap airline tickets and buys all those tiny things that are shipped overseas. The same Joe votes for politicians that deregulate and offer tax reductions and binges Netflix instead of reading some good books. Ignorance is a choice of majority of population. Ten billio…

“Misplace the blame” just means asking me to accept some responsibility rather than my preferred outgroups.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by alexfromapex »

RobotToaster wrote: post #23

Mainstream press never really looks at the deeper causes of why these conspiracies exist in the first place. Looking at it dialectically, at least one possibility seems quite simple. Thesis: The government wants to make laws that attack workers, to make them pay for stopping climate change (that was primarily caused by corporations and their wealthy owners.) Antithesis: Workers don't want to be attacked. Synthesis: S…

If you look into methane release being tracked by NASA, it looks like it may be causing a lot of the issues: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/methane-super-emitters-mapp...

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by klyrs »

whitemary wrote: post #52
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #39

Given these people's response it seems rising oceans, droughts and extreme weather are not the main dangers of global warming, but instead the hordes of the mentally untethered looking for someone to blame for what they've warned about for years.

Maybe if the media wasn't effectively an appendage of the state and transparently lying on a regular basis, citizens would be a lot less vulnerable to bullshit.

Which media, which state? For decades certain media and certain public officials have been lying about climate change while raking in money from companies with a vested interest in those lies. There is quite a lot of media which drives viewership by insisting that "the media" and "the government" is lying to them. And they're not always wrong, but they're always politically motivated.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

I think we have a scientific legitimacy issue that is still ongoing.

For example, there has been no "mea culpa" around massive problems such as:

The Ozone Hole being discarded initially as erroneous data

The US Historical Climate Network flawed sites permitted to enter the climate record

The mismatch between highly accurate space based temperature sensors, and US HCN

The hiding of warm periods, and the Younger Dryas, convenient dating, hiding the glaciation and deglaciation trends by academic meteorologists for funding/political reasons

Intentionally discounting Solar Radiance and Albedo

Permitting weather sensors (ASOS) on US runways to enter the weather record - how'd you like a weather report manipulated by prop blast or jet wash?

It is the very Cathedral establishment that has approached these issues as "Science the Religion shall not be questioned", instead of science as a process that needs to be continually refined via tight feedback loops. Critics, skeptics, and nay-saying scientists are heretics - prepare them for auto-da-fé

I believe in science as a process, not a religion.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by thinkingemote »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #39

Given these people's response it seems rising oceans, droughts and extreme weather are not the main dangers of global warming, but instead the hordes of the mentally untethered looking for someone to blame for what they've warned about for years.

A conspiracy theorist might say that this article is designed as clever propaganda to 1. make people blame issues on groups of mentally unstable people and 2. that it's designed to label the out of field as dangerous and insane.

But only a mad conspiracy theorist would think that this is propaganda.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

RobotToaster wrote: post #23

Mainstream press never really looks at the deeper causes of why these conspiracies exist in the first place. Looking at it dialectically, at least one possibility seems quite simple. Thesis: The government wants to make laws that attack workers, to make them pay for stopping climate change (that was primarily caused by corporations and their wealthy owners.) Antithesis: Workers don't want to be attacked. Synthesis: S…

this isn't what dialectics are
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