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Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by ivan_gammel »

olivermarks wrote: post #12

Here's video of a typical smaller cloud seeding aircraft. https://youtu.be/nwonVY_cNS4 CNN isn't helping anyone by talking about 'conspiracy theories' and claiming '.... In Spain’s case, much of the 'trolling' revolves around the rehashing of an old conspiracy theory: so-called “chemtrails.” 'Under many of the agency’s Twitter posts, especially those that refer to more extreme weather, users have posted images of blu…

There’s a difference between an educated concern based on some evidence and conspiracy theory. Chemtrails are a conspiracy theory by the definition of what conspiracy theory is. Why does it trigger you so much?

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by olivermarks »

nl wrote: post #15
olivermarks wrote: post #12

Here's video of a typical smaller cloud seeding aircraft. https://youtu.be/nwonVY_cNS4 CNN isn't helping anyone by talking about 'conspiracy theories' and claiming '.... In Spain’s case, much of the 'trolling' revolves around the rehashing of an old conspiracy theory: so-called “chemtrails.” 'Under many of the agency’s Twitter posts, especially those that refer to more extreme weather, users have posted images of blu…

Rain seeding is a thing of course. But that's different to contrails which are what conspiracy theorists point to as their "chemtrails"! It should be noted that rain seeding is realistically rarely used.

Another 2020 CNN article: 'China to expand weather modification program to cover area larger than India'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/asia/china-weather-modificati...

It's not hard to understand why people are anxious about global 'weather modification' and annoyed when they are insulted and dismissed as cranks.

This is another of those obscure areas of operations that need a lot more transparency, explanation and openness so we don't freak people out. 5G and chemtrails appear to be two areas that make people extremely anxious, whether legitimately or not.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by RobotToaster »

Mainstream press never really looks at the deeper causes of why these conspiracies exist in the first place.

Looking at it dialectically, at least one possibility seems quite simple.

Thesis: The government wants to make laws that attack workers, to make them pay for stopping climate change (that was primarily caused by corporations and their wealthy owners.)

Antithesis: Workers don't want to be attacked.

Synthesis: Some workers deny the existence of what the government says they want to make them pay for.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

A group of scientists did actually come up with a "chemtrail" like plan to cool the planet... And it is horrific:

> To achieve a 2 °C result, the plan would inject 6.7 teragrams (6.7 billion kg/14.8 billion lb) of sulfur dioxide per year into each pole, calling for an eye-watering total of 13.4 teragrams (29.5 billion lb) of material annually.

https://newatlas.com/environment/sai-polar-refreezing/

The cost would be astronomical (but far more doable than other climate engineering methods) and the environmental cost of raining sulfuric acid over the arctic with an enormous fleet of planes would be unspeakable.

They clearly released the plan to illustrate how impractical climate engineering is, but I wonder if this is a seed for the wider chemtrail theory.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by photochemsyn »

I doubt it's all that unprecedented - the fossil fuel / finance lobby has been attacking basic climate science for decades, even though their own scientists knew about it by 1980:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-...

As the evidence has piled up and the model projections have been proven accurate, their ability to recruit third-party promoters of climate denialism in public has steadily fallen, so they've turned to using social media puppet accounts to orchestrate denialism campaigns. Regardless, the results of the uncontrolled experiment humans are playing with the atmosphere by dumping billions of tons of fossil carbon into it are pretty clear, and model projections from decades ago are tracking current reality fairly closely:

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/202001_accuracy/

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by eesmith »

olivermarks wrote: post #12

Here's video of a typical smaller cloud seeding aircraft. https://youtu.be/nwonVY_cNS4 CNN isn't helping anyone by talking about 'conspiracy theories' and claiming '.... In Spain’s case, much of the 'trolling' revolves around the rehashing of an old conspiracy theory: so-called “chemtrails.” 'Under many of the agency’s Twitter posts, especially those that refer to more extreme weather, users have posted images of blu…

> that dismisses people's concerns.

What are those concerns? That most airlines spray chemicals that keep rain from falling on Spain? There's no reason to believe that's true. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory .

Or concerns that governments aren't doing enough to prevent increased global warming?

Or concerns that there's a conspiracy to promote the false story about global warming?

Or concerns that the government hasn't prepared for events like this, and has no effective response in place?

And how do those concerns justify threatening meterologists?

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by ivan_gammel »

RobotToaster wrote: post #23

Mainstream press never really looks at the deeper causes of why these conspiracies exist in the first place. Looking at it dialectically, at least one possibility seems quite simple. Thesis: The government wants to make laws that attack workers, to make them pay for stopping climate change (that was primarily caused by corporations and their wealthy owners.) Antithesis: Workers don't want to be attacked. Synthesis: S…

Conspiracy of meteorologists suppported by the government to scare workers by the weather… do you seriously consider this a possibility? How about Ockham’s razor and much simpler explanation that the weather is actually changing?

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by colpabar »

nl wrote: post #15
olivermarks wrote: post #12

Here's video of a typical smaller cloud seeding aircraft. https://youtu.be/nwonVY_cNS4 CNN isn't helping anyone by talking about 'conspiracy theories' and claiming '.... In Spain’s case, much of the 'trolling' revolves around the rehashing of an old conspiracy theory: so-called “chemtrails.” 'Under many of the agency’s Twitter posts, especially those that refer to more extreme weather, users have posted images of blu…

Rain seeding is a thing of course. But that's different to contrails which are what conspiracy theorists point to as their "chemtrails"! It should be noted that rain seeding is realistically rarely used.

Guess what? You claiming that cloud seeding is real makes you a conspiracy theorist to others. It’s a completely meaningless term at this point.

Re: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists

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Post by GenerocUsername »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #27
RobotToaster wrote: post #23

Mainstream press never really looks at the deeper causes of why these conspiracies exist in the first place. Looking at it dialectically, at least one possibility seems quite simple. Thesis: The government wants to make laws that attack workers, to make them pay for stopping climate change (that was primarily caused by corporations and their wealthy owners.) Antithesis: Workers don't want to be attacked. Synthesis: S…

Conspiracy of meteorologists suppported by the government to scare workers by the weather… do you seriously consider this a possibility? How about Ockham’s razor and much simpler explanation that the weather is actually changing?

He didn't say the weather isnt changing, he said the proposed solutions misplace the blame and spread the burdon of solutions disproportionatly from the source of the problem.
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