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Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by wavephorm »

J3L2404 wrote: post #49
jacquesm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you want to point out the flaw in someones argument you could do better than to go down the exact same road they took. You effectively claim that the US does not need the EU and that you could afford to drive the EU 'into a ditch' out of spite, when in fact the economies are now so interlinked that if the one suffers the other suffers right along with it. The current crisis is a nice example of that. Effec…

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, and of course your right. But these fascist claims go unanswered here too often and I shouldn't have to dispute it point by point. It's ludicrous. >you are painting all Europeans with the same brush and that is just as stupid as those that like to paint all of the US with one brush. Well I did qualify it with 'whining'. Particularly the ones whose sense of entitlement has become so b…

  But these fascist claims go unanswered here too often and
  I shouldn't have to dispute it point by point.
Except you didn't dispute it at all. Instead of making any sort of insightful argument you said it is sad, and I am batshit crazy, spewing nonsense, and that you want to sabotage the European economy. This is really not a good way to make an argument.

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by pessimizer »

powertower wrote: post #17

I live in the US. I don't know a single person that's in prison. I don't know a single person that's been charged as a terrorist. I don't know a single person whose business has been adversely affected by the government (such as the above). Seriously! But they keep telling me that it's happening all around me. They tell me it's a fascist police state.

I live in the US.

I don't know a single person who works in construction.

I don't know a single poet, or truck driver.

I don't know any chemists, or anyone who has worked in a nuclear power plant.

In fact, I've never even met a dog groomer.

Seriously!

But they keep telling me that it's happening all around me. They tell me that there are people that exist that I haven't met yet, and may never meet.

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by mixmax »

powertower wrote: post #17

I live in the US. I don't know a single person that's in prison. I don't know a single person that's been charged as a terrorist. I don't know a single person whose business has been adversely affected by the government (such as the above). Seriously! But they keep telling me that it's happening all around me. They tell me it's a fascist police state.

I take it that you're not a black man living in a rural area, because if you were statistically 13% of your friends would be in prison.

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by edanm »

rythie wrote: post #44
F_J_H wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, I don't personally know anyone who: - has AIDS or is HIV+ - is being restricted from enjoying a freedom due to religious dogma - who has been a rape victim - who has been bullied in school for being gay - who has been discriminated against because of their race - who has been abused as a child However, I have no doubt whatsoever that there are many, many people out there (even in my city), who have…

People who have experienced the above don't tell everyone the meet about it. So, it's still possible you know people who've experienced the above, especially since many of things you list are quite common.

I'm pretty should that was the point.

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by [deleted] »

wavephorm wrote: post #51
J3L2404 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, and of course your right. But these fascist claims go unanswered here too often and I shouldn't have to dispute it point by point. It's ludicrous. >you are painting all Europeans with the same brush and that is just as stupid as those that like to paint all of the US with one brush. Well I did qualify it with 'whining'. Particularly the ones whose sense of entitlement has become so b…

But these fascist claims go unanswered here too often and I shouldn't have to dispute it point by point. Except you didn't dispute it at all. Instead of making any sort of insightful argument you said it is sad, and I am batshit crazy, spewing nonsense, and that you want to sabotage the European economy. This is really not a good way to make an argument.

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Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by joering2 »

swombat wrote: post #40
skrebbel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The .com doesn't make random US agencies able to look what's on the servers. Worst case scenario, they could block the domain. Quite a difference, I'd say. This is my reason for never deploying an app on anything that runs on e.g. AWS (thus incl anything on Heroku). It's like personally, directly, with no notification and no warranty, selling out your users to the NSA.

You can get AWS on european servers, and iirc that falls under digital safe harbour laws, so the US govt can't get access to it.

the Dot Com MU shutdown was an international operation with join-forces used from many different countries. What makes you think that if "US govt" wants to access/shut down your domain/servers that are Europe-based, they won't ask their French, UK, German, or any other European country allies for help?

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by rshigeta »

powertower wrote: post #17

I live in the US. I don't know a single person that's in prison. I don't know a single person that's been charged as a terrorist. I don't know a single person whose business has been adversely affected by the government (such as the above). Seriously! But they keep telling me that it's happening all around me. They tell me it's a fascist police state.

how many people do you know? have you asked everyone you do know? i know all of these people. After 9/11 a friend and I were taking texture pictures of rusted steel on a public road near an oil refinery - its 3 blocks off a major metro interstate and they offered to put us in prison.

I just think you don't get out much.

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by dav-id »

dav-id wrote: post #27
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you a product exporter? Your counterpart in the US would be the importer. As a bit of a counterweight, yes, the US is 'sue happy' but being abroad typically takes a good part of the wind out of the 'I'll see you in court' attitude. It takes a lot more from the litigating party to set up a lawsuit with an overseas party, on top of that the courts in the UK are much less likely to award idiotically high damages.…

We ship direct to customers in a way similar to how you might buy from ebay an item from a seller overseas and they will send the item. We want to make the process as easy for our customers as possible so we through our couriers will take care of all customs clearance and duties if they apply. Our biggest advantage of not setting up in the US apart from the legal aspect is being able to avoid a lot of the taxes. When…

Thanks jacquesm and gregpilling I appreciate all the advice you have given me!

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by rfrey »

wavephorm wrote: post #23
davidw wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we discuss the deteriorating situation in the US like adults and not sputter out epithets like "fascist regime"? Have a look at what's happening in Syria to see what a real dictatorship is like.

fas·cism/ˈfaSHizəm/ Noun: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. (in general use) Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice. re·gime/riˈZHēm/ Noun: A government, esp. an authoritarian one. A system or planned way of doing things, esp. one imposed from above. I don't think you can get a more succinct description of what's happening to the Un…

When you say "fascist regime" you are invoking emotional connection to Mussolini Italy or Nazi Germany. Citing the technical definition of the word doesn't change the intention of the rhetoric. Many emotional appeals use technically correct words.

It's possible that you only used the words because they were correct, and do not share the emotional connection to them that most of your readers will have. If that is true, you should note the common effect of that phrase, and avoid it in the future during rational conversation.

Re: The town is no longer friendly for business

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Post by colbyh »

a_a_r_o_n wrote: post #5

"My servers are in Germany." The author's granttree is at .co.uk, but woobius is at .com. My understanding is that the US claims domain over anything serving .com and .org, and that first world countries (do we say that anymore?) will roll over for the US on domain issues.

Domain issues aside, Germany's own privacy laws (at the complete opposite end of the spectrum from the US) are just as likely to cause anti-business sentiment. I would hate to build a product that collects user data on German servers.

A decent comparison can be found here: http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/us-d.html#privacy

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