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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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It's going to be significantly less tire dust, they weigh a 100th the weight. Ebikes won't be mainstream in a typical American city though, the distances between home, goods and services and work are usually too great and cars are basically baked into the culture. Better mass transit and bikes for those living in denser cities, is likely America's only good option. I don't think e-bikes are unsafe though, their lack…

If you use an ebike, wait until you go down by yourself and tell me what you think again. No cars needed. On a cyclist lane. Just you and your bike. If you use it for everyday commute, it's a matter of time. When it happens, it will be no fun.

I have been in one commuting accident, plenty of non-commuting accidents though (mountain biking etc.), but you can also fall down stairs while walking or slip up in the rain. We can't be shrinkwrapped everywhere we go. I just picked up my bike, said bummer that hurt, and kept going.

Compare that painful inconvenience to a car accident and it's just silly to call an e-bike dangerous.

I have been in 4 car accidents, and am lucky to be here. You step out from a totalled car, and see the carnage, distress and mess that everyone is now subject to. Traffic has to be redirected, cops show up to take down details of those still alive, EMTs try to find the ways you've been contorted, firemen have to disable the vehicle and clear any fuel and fire risk, the tow trucks scrape the husks of twisted metal off the street so people can use the road again. It's a whole ordeal, and regularly fatal.

Although there are exceptions, usually bike accidents are only fatal when a car was involved. Cars are not safe and never have been, we just accept the risk for the convenience.

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OK, let's take a look at traffic fatalities in Denmark (where bicycles are the primary means of transport in most cities). 25 bicycle fatalities, compared to 64 auto fatalities. It's a much closer margin, but bicycles still win out. The statistics are similar in The Netherlands, where bicycles are equally popular. Sources: https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/transport/trafikulykke... https://swov.nl/en/fact-sheet/r…

How many kilometers cycled and driven? I find it very dubious to assume that cars drive the same amount of kilometers as bikes in the Netherlands...

You can measure mixed risk like this in hours exposed, since the outcome of a car and bike trip in Denmark is the same (you get to work or whatever). That will also be fairer to cars, since I suspect there are more deaths per KM for cars.

I ride my bike just shy of 40kms per commute, the same amount I would drive.

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> Guns dont kill, people kill. Yeah, I see someone brainwashed and agendaed here and is not me. BTW if that phrase had any hint of truth to it people could just buy nuclear weapons as long as they can afford it, but no, we know that is too much power to be handed to the capriciousness of a single random person, but they pretend it's any different with handguns; manufacturers and everyone else involved know the next v…

manufacturers of cars knows that X amount of kids they dont know is gonna be victims of car crashes.... yes, I have an agenda, its called freedom and anti-violence. You dictating I cannot have a gun is violence against me. Same as if I tried to dictate you cannot have a car

It’s not violence to forbid someone from owning a gun. We can’t own many things, including other human beings. And many other countries forbid people from owning firearms, and life goes on, peacefully.

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> Why not? Why? No, seriously. Why? Most people are (correctly) disillusioned enough to understand not to use a company-provided feedback funnel. It is possible that this one is different. Doesn't change the fact the correct first impression is to never use the feature.

> Why? > No, seriously. Why? To improve the feature. The same reason that we report bugs to KDE, Mozilla, LibreOffice, Canonical, Debian, Red Hat, Anki, JetBrains, Oracle, etc.

yea, in oss projects, users tend to feel more like stakeholders than with products of some mega-corp.

we all know that these feedback channels just create a corpus of opinions to be used for arbitrary arguments by management. no one is gonna read or even react to this unless it's necessary.

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> Where would the Twitter trolls go? They'd flood the streets. Compare this argumentation with typical argumentation about violenceful computer games players which are also going to flood the streets for some different reasons but with similar unwanted outcomes.

I assume the person you're replying to wasn't being entirely serious :)

> wasn't being entirely serious :)

Thanks for understanding.

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phantom breaking isnt a thing in 2023. it used to be a problem, it's not anymore if you have HW3

Spoken by someone who clearly doesn’t own or drive a Tesla. Phantom braking is very much STILL an unsolved problem.

I own a tesla, im on fsd 14.2 though. maybe it's still an issue on auto-pilot. i have no had an issue with phantom breaking in over a year.

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As a Tesla owner, I would love to know what corner cases you are referring to. I've been a tech at a Ford dealership, and I'd say that the incidents which render the average Ford undrivable are far greater than the incidents which render the average Tesla undrivable.

Second hand Teslas represent a challenge as someone pointed out. You also can't necessarily modify or inspect the car without Tesla getting their panties in a twist (I dare you to connect to the network inside your car and try to get access to the onboard computers and then try to have the discussion with Tesla about who's car it really is). The there are the massive privacy issues and the fact that you can't do anyt…

I'm not in the US. My Tesla has an option to disable data collection. You could argue that the company might not honour that option, but that argument then opens a very broad subject across many industries.

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There are plenty of lower cost TBM options, low enough cost for my local water company to be using a mini one to dig a 12 mile sewer near where I live

Lower cost, but not cheaper because you can’t use them for the same things. Aka a toy car costs less than a real one but isn’t a cheaper transportation option.

But you can’t use the Boring Company’s TBM to drill ‘real’ tunnels - it’s build for tiny Tesla car sized tunnels (which aren’t actually that much larger than the local sewer being bored)

Trains i.e. proper mass transit, require wide bore tunnels and cost increases with the diameter of the bore

A lot of the costs with tunnels isn’t the tunnel but things like the portals that need to dissipate pressure waves as trains enter and leave at high speed

The boring company produced a smallish bore TBM and then ‘oh look it’s cheaper than a large one’, there is no innovation there

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IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

They just have to drop the ML based self driving (since it is a nonsense...) and take the easier path.
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