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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by Nextgrid »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #282
rurp wrote: post #200

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Elon doesn't actually believe that Tesla cars are about to quintuple in value now, any more than he did 7+ years ago when he first started saying it; that's just marketing BS. > So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation. Yes, and most Gamestop investors think the company is going to be the next Amazon. Buying a popular meme stock doesn't make their predictions right.

And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

Rocketry and self-driving are completely different domains of difficulty. Rocketry is a solved problem - the basic math works, we've done it before, the challenge now is building upon that knowledge, refining it and increasing efficiency, but the basics have been figured out and proven since we've launched the first satellites in orbit. SpaceX is successfully doing this.

Unsupervised self-driving in an unconstrained environment is a completely different game. The reason humans can drive is that they have millions of years of evolution in both low-level image processing, reasoning, etc, diverse knowledge of the world that an individual obtains during the course of their life which can be blended in various ways to make driving-related decisions, as well as a sense of self-preservation that generally forces them to err on the side of caution. Short of a major AGI breakthrough, safe self-driving on existing road infrastructure is impossible.

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Post by jevgeni »

q1w2 wrote: post #541
jevgeni wrote: post #499

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Their claim IS the data.

Except that the data leaked does not demonstrate that the Teslas are unsafe.

No, of course not, a company with a policy to sweep accident data under the rug can't possible be unsafe, can it?

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

Nextgrid wrote: post #561
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #282

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And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

Rocketry and self-driving are completely different domains of difficulty. Rocketry is a solved problem - the basic math works, we've done it before, the challenge now is building upon that knowledge, refining it and increasing efficiency, but the basics have been figured out and proven since we've launched the first satellites in orbit. SpaceX is successfully doing this. Unsupervised self-driving in an unconstrained…

> Rocketry is a solved problem - the basic math works, we've done it before, the challenge now is building upon that knowledge

This is not true. The only thing that enabled the reusability of SpaceX rockets was the convexification of the soft landing problem, a novelty by Lars Blackmore.

Sure, you could argue the the model predictive control scaffolding was pre-existing, but so was linear algebra for self driving.

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Post by pc86 »

George83728 wrote: post #224
withinboredom wrote: post #101

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> 'keep your lane' tends to be the rule if the right hand lane is also moving at the speed limit (so you can't legally pass). Why are you in the lefter lane if you can't pass? I've been in rush hour (where keep-to-the-right-unless-passing is very strictly enforced) in bumper-to-bumper traffic and the left two (out of 6) are completely empty and everyone is doing 'around' the speed limit. Some are in the right lane do…

> I've been in rush hour (where keep-to-the-right-unless-passing is very strictly enforced) in bumper-to-bumper traffic and the left two (out of 6) are completely empty and everyone is doing 'around' the speed limit. I've been on interstates in every continental US state and I've never seen this, but I think something has been lost in translation because "bumper-to-bumper" and "everybody doing the speed limit" are mu…

Have you ever driven in Philadelphia during high-traffic, non-rush hour times? 75mph easily, with at most half a car length between every car. I didn't believe a friend's dad when he talked about "bumper-to-bumper 80mph traffic" in the highways around the Philly suburbs but it's absolutely the case.

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Post by mattigames »

redeeman wrote: post #522
mattigames wrote: post #248

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Except guns of course, because... America.

you are being extremely misleading and agendaed here. Either you have been brainwashed by propaganda, or you are intentionally doing it. You cannot sue Mercedes if someone decides to use a car they manufactured to ram into people on the sidewalk. Well, Maybe you can sue, but you can absolutely not win. On the same line of logic, you absolutely can not sue Walmart if your relative gets stabbed by a knife they sold, Ha…

> Guns dont kill, people kill.

Yeah, I see someone brainwashed and agendaed here and is not me. BTW if that phrase had any hint of truth to it people could just buy nuclear weapons as long as they can afford it, but no, we know that is too much power to be handed to the capriciousness of a single random person, but they pretend it's any different with handguns; manufacturers and everyone else involved know the next victim will be some kid they don't know and therefore don't care about and doesn't concern them at all, while nuclear warfare is much ore likely to affect them directly so it cannot be abstracted away as a statistic.

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Post by pc86 »

George83728 wrote: post #183
pc86 wrote: post #30

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It's a shame this is getting downvoted because it's true. In any level of traffic except stop-and-go--and even then to a large extent--you should be doing everything within your power to either pass the cars on your right, and/or move over to let cars pass you on the left. It is a vanishingly small number of scenarios where you are keeping pace with a car next to you and you're not in the wrong. This isn't just at hi…

> It is a vanishingly small number of scenarios where you are keeping pace with a car next to you and you're not in the wrong. I think it really depends on where/when you're driving. I find this to be a common scenario on interstates during rush hour: I'm in the right lane, doing approximately the speed limit. There is a safe distance between me and the cars in front and back of me, but only just. If many more cars e…

I think if you're in the left lane only going 1 mph faster than the cars in the right lane, especially in traffic, something is wrong. Especially on interstates where lanes are typically wide and the road relatively straight, and in good weather & visibility, if you have any appreciable amount of traffic on the road it's much better to go 5-10 over to pass then get over to the right and go back down to the speed of the right lane than it is to be in the left lane holding up a line of traffic while you take 5 minutes to pass one semi.

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Post by the_overseer »

bombolo wrote: post #532
fragmede wrote: post #515

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Would they? Or is it like the small phone segment, where the a very vocal group of hardcore enthusiasts, but when it comes to market size, it turns out theres just not really enough of us out there to sustain the segment. Cars aren't phones, and maybe a $15k car would sell well in this economy, but with way higher margins on a slightly better car at $40k, why would any automaker willingly give up a big pile of profit…

Well there are no small phones… so we buy large phones, because we still need to buy a new phone occasionally; so marketing research goes: "see!!! LARGE PHONES!!!!!" This is what you get when you have incompetents doing statistics. At this point nobody on the planet can fit a phone in their hands, but they keep getting larger.

Because that is what people want. Apple tried repeatedly to sell the iphone mini. The people that said they would totally buy it actually didn't.

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Post by amitrip »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #335
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #311

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> > And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, Sure and the guy is getting paid right now in cold hard cash, while all the synchopants keep ranting about hopes and dreams. As Jack Nicholson said in 'the Departed' and I quote : "What we generally do - in this country... is one guy brings the items and the other guy pays him. No tickee, no laundry!" First the self-driving car for all Am…

My point was Elon has an incredible track record of success which follows a formula of overhype, delays, and eventual achievement if not overachievement. You seem to have a more personal vendetta against him, I’m just looking at his insane success and envying hype/ management style

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Post by justapassenger »

joshspankit wrote: post #552
justapassenger wrote: post #453

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Do you know how many sudden unintended acceleration were needed for Toyota to take a beating? How many fires were needed for Ford to recall Pinto? How many ignition failed for GM to take a beating? All of those were low numbers.

No I do not. What were those nummbers?

Toyota recalled 9 million cars for about 40 deaths.

Ford recalled 1.5 million cars for about 40 fires.

GM recalled 30 million cars for about 120 deaths.

To put things into perspective, about 100 people die from traffic accidents each day in USA.

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Post by Shocka1 »

orpheansodality wrote: post #300
manquer wrote: post #275

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It is not about efficiency or trying not to be slow. I am not bothered how many people cut in line or "cheat".[1] Someone will always keep cutting into the space. It is impossible to maintain 3 second to the car ahead. First one car will cut in, you make room for them and add 3 second gap the next car will cut in. Maintaining even a 1 second gap is sometimes very hard close to exits. [1] Personally my driving pattern…

it's anecdata but I drive this this on the regular and don't have any issues! May be some regional differences

In the Midwest here and drive the same way, from rural to busy city and back. Never had any issues at all with it minus the car or five I let in front of me. I usually keep about 5 car lengths, so a fairly reasonable gap without being annoying to drivers that happen to be behind me. Also, I have zero panic braking incidents, which seem to be a big cause of crashes and slowdowns in heavy traffic due to the slinky phenomenon that tends to happen.

Not only can I see everything beyond the car in front of me, I tend to "soak" up the braking energy when there is a panic braking incident in front of me. I have no data to back this up, but I'm almost positive I've kept traffic moving much better behind me and prevented rear ending incidents using this tactic. Also, I wouldn't downplay the amount of fuel that is being saved that comes with not having to almost stop, then start over again from the slinky effect.

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