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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by onionisafruit »

iknowstuff wrote: post #96
zizee wrote: post #44

How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour? This site doesn't seem that impartial/unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla: > It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.

Jalopnik is absolutely garbage "journalism", they have a long long history of hating on Tesla.

Isn’t it a gawker site? I wouldn’t expect anything less.

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Post by jdminhbg »

acyou wrote: post #447
jdminhbg wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a fun niche use case but most people just drive to work and school and back every weekday. Having to stop for 20-40 minutes on the odd occasion that you need to drive 340 miles in a day is worth never having to stop for gas for your daily commute.

How much time does it take to plug and unplug the car every day, vs. the gas station fill time?

You don’t need to do it every day, and it takes 15 seconds.

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Post by justapassenger »

joshspankit wrote: post #367

Is it just me, or are these numbers almost low enough to be labelled positive PR? > The Tesla files contain more than 2,400 self-acceleration complaints and more than 1,500 braking function problems, including 139 cases of unintentional emergency braking and 383 reported phantom stops resulting from false collision warnings. The number of crashes is more than 1000. A table of incidents involving driver assistance sys…

Do you know how many sudden unintended acceleration were needed for Toyota to take a beating? How many fires were needed for Ford to recall Pinto? How many ignition failed for GM to take a beating?

All of those were low numbers.

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Post by Retric »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #369
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #352

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Success is measured by hypothetical subtraction. If you disappeared Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, Twitter and even Mr.Musk overnight, the world would look exactly the same the following morning. Try and disappear Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, Boeing, JPMorgan, BankofAmerica, Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell overnight. You'll have chaos and civil unrest within a week. That's where your quality of life comes from, sure it's not as excitin…

Actually, Ukraine said they would have lost already without starlink.

Hardly, Starlink has had some impact on Ukraine but not nearly that much. They have called it “critical” but they call a great many things critical, the actual use of Starlink still isn’t that common.

The important bit for Ukrainian is Starlink is subsidized by other countries and it reduces the incentives for Russia to destroy communication infrastructure. Unfortunately because Russia is focusing less on communication infrastructure they get to focus more on other targets.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Retric wrote: post #454
mensetmanusman wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Ukraine said they would have lost already without starlink.

Hardly, Starlink has had some impact on Ukraine but not nearly that much. They have called it “critical” but they call a great many things critical, the actual use of Starlink still isn’t that common. The important bit for Ukrainian is Starlink is subsidized by other countries and it reduces the incentives for Russia to destroy communication infrastructure. Unfortunately because Russia is focusing less on communicati…

People following this closely disagree.

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Post by what-the-grump »

pmorici wrote: post #373
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #351

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> My point was Elon has an incredible track record of success which follows a formula of overhype, delays, and eventual achievement if not overachievement. His biggest success is the rocket industry. Let's examine top competitors - corrupt ULA which flies rockets on 50 year old engines and does cost+ contracts, his other competitor was Russia, a corrupt kleptocracy that stopped innovating when USSR fell apart. Russia…

“ Tesla had a head start on electric, but they could not take advantage of this. Once other manufacturers woke up to the threat, it became clear Tesla has nothing on them, and car industry is fiercely competitive.” Is there any other car company in the world selling electric vehicles at a profit besides Tesla? Everyone else is losing money on their EVs most are losing a lot of money. Not only is Tesla profitable but…

If you are looking to buy a car in 2023 and you are not looking at a model y or a model 3…

Tesla is the only car to drop prices in 2023, and the only car that doesn’t feel like you are paying 50% more for whatever you got 3 years ago.

Anything else at the 40-50k usd range is simply a joke compared to model y, and Tesla is simply eating the market right now.

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Post by fnord77 »

jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

some of tesla's models are being outclassed now that other brands are hitting their stride.

The Model X was ranked 16th by car and driver which is pathetic (the impressive BMW iX was #1)

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Post by killjoywashere »

asdff wrote: post #141
metalliqaz wrote: post #102

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It's not just the software. They are trying to make due without the kind of sensors that are required to properly sense the immediate environment (LIDAR)

How expensive is LIDAR even? My xiaomi vacuum has LIDAR.

I'm guessing your vacuum isn't doing 140 miles an hour with four humans in it with an expectation of life-conseving flawless performance for the next 10-15 years. And definitely not in the rain, at night, on rough and uncertain road.

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Post by furyofantares »

sandofsky wrote: post #91
zizee wrote: post #44

How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour? This site doesn't seem that impartial/unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla: > It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.

When a Toyota hid an “unintended acceleration” bug, it was a scandal that resulted in a $1.2B fine. https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-...

I was kinda scared, or at least on edge, during the Toyota stuff; I usually have a very level head about this stuff but for some reason that one got me. But if it happened again, I wouldn't really blink an eye.

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Post by asdff »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #372
asdff wrote: post #141

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How expensive is LIDAR even? My xiaomi vacuum has LIDAR.

Can your vacuum see 300 meters away and plan how to clean the east wing of your estate?

I live in an apartment so I've yet to really see the reach of this thing's lidar. It maps the room almost immediately though, then cleans by first lapping the perimeter of an area then does laps to cover the inside of the perimeter like someone mowing grass. The map is cached from the last full cleaning, so if I wanted it to do some spot cleaning I can define an arbitrary rectangle and specify how many passes I want over that spot (one is always enough, the second pass never picks up anything else). I can also control it manually but the controls have some latency from the app. I love this thing, it fills its chamber entirely with cat hair that I wouldn't even see until sending it out. It also tracks maintenance and tells me when sensors or the filter needs cleaning, or if parts like brushes need replacing (haven't needed one yet).
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