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Safety testing has proven that Teslas are incredibly safe - probably some of the safest cars on the road. Both in crash tests and accidents per mile driven. If someone is claiming that there is a safety issue despite the existing data, then yes, the burden of proof moves to them to validate their new claim.
Their claim IS the data.
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Elon doesn't actually believe that Tesla cars are about to quintuple in value now, any more than he did 7+ years ago when he first started saying it; that's just marketing BS. > So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation. Yes, and most Gamestop investors think the company is going to be the next Amazon. Buying a popular meme stock doesn't make their predictions right.
And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?
Not to be pedantic, but lots of people "realized" (or predicted) this, myself included.
He promised something, charged for it, and had little to show for. To me that's a big mistake, not little "ooopsie shit happens".
And it's not clear this will be fixed 10 years from now. Experimental research often fails in some stage between research and production.
IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.
Elons point on cars being worth 5x as much with self driving shouldn’t be dismissed. If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation.
The only thing I can think of is maybe it would make some trips not need my presence at all. Like I could see placing a Wal-mart grocery order, and sending my car to go to Wal-mart without me in it, they load it up, and then it comes back, and I can unload it.
Which is nice, but I'm not paying 5x the already expensive car prices in order to save a few minutes here and there.
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Nah Tesla is just goosing the government subsidies hard. The ioniq5 is a great car just doesn’t qualify for inflation increase act subsidies
If that's the case, why Tesla easily beats any other opponent overseas as well? Here, in Australia, they do not get any subsidies. Model 3 and Y sales are leaving all others, including Ioniq, far behind.
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People are just not reporting them. My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any.
> My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any. Why not? The barrier of entry is pressing a button and then describing, in voice, what just happened.
The effort is in the follow up time and the pointlessness.
Submitting an IT ticket is different than a Tesla event. But I don’t want someone to ask me if I’ve rebooted my computer and trying to call and confirm I’ve tried all the things I said I tried.
I never submit tickets unless I expect some strong probability of solution.
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> Why not? Why? No, seriously. Why? Most people are (correctly) disillusioned enough to understand not to use a company-provided feedback funnel. It is possible that this one is different. Doesn't change the fact the correct first impression is to never use the feature.
> Why? > No, seriously. Why? To improve the feature. The same reason that we report bugs to KDE, Mozilla, LibreOffice, Canonical, Debian, Red Hat, Anki, JetBrains, Oracle, etc.
I don’t submit random bugs to Oracle because nothing happens unless it’s serious and I have paid for support to have dedicated engineers debugging stuff.
Is it just me, or are these numbers almost low enough to be labelled positive PR? > The Tesla files contain more than 2,400 self-acceleration complaints and more than 1,500 braking function problems, including 139 cases of unintentional emergency braking and 383 reported phantom stops resulting from false collision warnings. The number of crashes is more than 1000. A table of incidents involving driver assistance sys…
It’s not the burden of society to prove the dangers of the technology we purchase on behalf of the businesses that sell it. We recall consumer products for danger well below the numbers reported in the article above. A vehicle on the road should be held to an even higher standard.
The numbers here aren’t very high and they don’t reflect any serious risk of harm. Recall math is interesting to me, but it’s not just a function of customer complaints.
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> If you disappeared Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, Twitter and even Mr.Musk overnight, the world would look exactly the same the following morning. No it won't. Where would the Twitter trolls go? They'd flood the streets. If Twitter had disappeared no 1 can announce for president anymore!
> Where would the Twitter trolls go? They'd flood the streets. Compare this argumentation with typical argumentation about violenceful computer games players which are also going to flood the streets for some different reasons but with similar unwanted outcomes.
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"FOSS self-driving cars" is a dream so bold I dare not dream it. In some other timeline, we have had an "internet of roads" built on cooperative standards. Instead we have trendy death-traps that make fart noises sold as status symbols.
Somehow I get OpenSSL vibes from that description. Everyone would use it, nobody would pay for maintenance and the result would be billions of tons of steel controlled by a buggy vulnerable mess filled to the brim with a nightmarish labyrinth of #ifdefs and hacks ensuring compatibility with every embedded chipset that has ever existed.
Not perfect, and has serious bugs but it’s been used by millions for decades. Even software that costs billions has zero days.
We could be in a world where everyone pays RSA and still have massive vulnerabilities.
We could be so lucky if all software ra exactly like OpenSSL.
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That's a fair point. Not least because this is why I wouldn't consider buying a Tesla. It feels too much like dealing with software: it isn't your car. It is Teslas car. And maybe paying a bunch of money for it means you can drive it, but sometimes, when you hit some corner case, it doesn't.
As a Tesla owner, I would love to know what corner cases you are referring to. I've been a tech at a Ford dealership, and I'd say that the incidents which render the average Ford undrivable are far greater than the incidents which render the average Tesla undrivable.