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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by sandofsky »

zizee wrote: post #44

How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour? This site doesn't seem that impartial/unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla: > It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.

When a Toyota hid an “unintended acceleration” bug, it was a scandal that resulted in a $1.2B fine.

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-...

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by rcxdude »

belltaco wrote: post #64
Pxtl wrote: post #18

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Because it sells the world's best selling car at a high margin? And is double the price of the Toyota Corolla it dethroned. https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/tesla-model-y-is-now-the-worl... If one gets news about Tesla only from HN then it does seem Tesla is ridiculous, because only negative stories tend to get upvoted and positive ones buried.

Still doesn't justify its valuation. Tesla is very far from worthless but nowhere near worth its stock price.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by panarky »

jacquesm wrote: post #9
advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

The bigger problem is that I am trusting my life to you using it. This goes way beyond defective product and normal risk, the fact that these things happen endangers everybody on the road, not just those that decided to throw in their lot with Tesla.

If I refuse to use a product because I think it's too dangerous, but I die anyway because of your use of the dangerous product, does my estate sue you personally for gross negligence, or must my estate sue the maker of the product?

Naturally if my estate sues you personally, your defense would be that you didn't know the product was dangerous. Perhaps if the whistleblower's leak is widely publicized, that would weaken your defense.

Certainly the leak should weaken the maker's ability to claim they didn't know.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by cypress66 »

jacquesm wrote: post #62
uturingmachine wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true, I purchased a Model 3 brand new in 2021; it has HW3 and it absolutely does phantom braking regularly on road trips. This is on US interstates.

Why do you keep driving it? I had a car that did this to me twice and got rid of it, the first time could have been a glitch but twice is simply broken and dangerous. The dealer said the car was fine.

All car brands ADAS are imperfect. If it phantom brakes you just push the accelerator, or simply don't use the ADAS.

You can drive the car normally, you aren't forced to use ADAS if you don't like it.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by eertami »

valine wrote: post #33
Pxtl wrote: post #18

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Probably because the world is transitioning to EVs and they have a 5ish year head start over most other automakers. There’s a long list of technologies Tesla has already shipped that other car makers are just beginning to explore. - Structural batteries - The “Octovalve” heat pump - Mega casted car frames - Their custom ML SOC The TSLA market cap is debatable, but their lead is real.

Even with that 5 year lead, I would rather buy an EV from any other "mainstream" automaker. The build quality even on a 2023 manufactured Tesla is just insulting. If I buy a BMW I'm also being ripped off but at least the door panel won't fall off if I slam the door, and BMW will repair faults within days and not months.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by iknowstuff »

zizee wrote: post #44

How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour? This site doesn't seem that impartial/unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla: > It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.

Jalopnik is absolutely garbage "journalism", they have a long long history of hating on Tesla.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by iknowstuff »

sandofsky wrote: post #91
zizee wrote: post #44

How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour? This site doesn't seem that impartial/unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla: > It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.

When a Toyota hid an “unintended acceleration” bug, it was a scandal that resulted in a $1.2B fine. https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-...

Every customer complaint about unintended acceleration of Teslas was proven in court to be the fault of the customer confusing the pedals. The accelerator pedal has two independent sensors measuring input - they both have to agree, and no input on the brake pedal must be detected for the vehicle to accelerate.

They go a step further. They use their cameras to detect the environment and significantly slow down acceleration if they think it might be a mistake.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by bj-rn »

chaxor wrote: post #43

I didn't see the actual data or a link or anything to how to get it, but why on earth would it be 100GB? That seems fairly large if it's just tallying accidents and such.

"The 'Tesla Files' comprise more than 23,000 files. Some documents apparently show salaries and home addresses of more than 100,000 current and former employees. Others list presumably private mail addresses and phone numbers of customers."

[...]

"Due to the sheer volume and structure of the data sets, the editorial team had to make a selection of which of the more than thousand Excel tables could be taken into account in the query tool. "

https://app.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/leseraufr...

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by adamwong246 »

advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

"FOSS self-driving cars" is a dream so bold I dare not dream it. In some other timeline, we have had an "internet of roads" built on cooperative standards. Instead we have trendy death-traps that make fart noises sold as status symbols.
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