Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

Post by bombolo » Fri, May 26, 2023, 5:56 AM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #210

threeseed wrote: post #59

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Humans in traffic are relatively easy to predict. They don’t just randomly brake for no reason.

I hear people talk about people brake checking all the time (whether they're the brake checkers or the person tailing). A buddy of mine was tailing a (non-Tesla) car a little too closely on his motorcycle and the driver deliberately brake-checked him and he wrecked. And that's just people deliberately driving erratically, never mind the people who are responding to debris, animals, people, etc darting into the road.

Post by detrites » Fri, May 26, 2023, 6:09 AM UTC

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Number of actual accidents per million miles is the important stat though, and Tesla appears to be doing reasonably well on that front. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-beta-safety-crash-statis...

Sure, and VW also self-reported that their engines passed emissions testing and Ford self-reported that the Pinto was safe. Self-reported numbers by the manufacturer who has a direct financial interest to lie and who maliciously miscategorizes their L4 design intent system as a L2 design intent so that they do not need to do safety testing or submit reports to regulatory agencys is the opposite of believable.

Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 26, 2023, 6:15 AM UTC

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #282

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Elon doesn't actually believe that Tesla cars are about to quintuple in value now, any more than he did 7+ years ago when he first started saying it; that's just marketing BS. > So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation. Yes, and most Gamestop investors think the company is going to be the next Amazon. Buying a popular meme stock doesn't make their predictions right.

And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, so his dream is gonna be delayed 5-10 years like most of his other major ones. It’s now 2013, want to see a video of Starship taking off?

Post by eterevsky » Fri, May 26, 2023, 6:27 AM UTC

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When a manufacturer is selling millions of cars, I think it's better to judge their safety using statistics rather than some qualitative reasoning. Are Teslas measurably less safe than other cars? I.e. is the accident probability per km driven on a Tesla higher than on another car? I haven't seen any data suggesting that, but I'm happy to be corrected.

Since Tesla works really hard to hide who is responsible in case of an Autopilot crash, witholds and deletes information as well as deny any responsibility anyways, being just as good as a human driver isn't nearly enough. Additionally, there's no data because Tesla releases nothing except heavily doctored numbers meant to make them look good. (To Tesla, a crash means airbag deployed. Sorry, random person that got ra…

Post by jevgeni » Fri, May 26, 2023, 6:31 AM UTC

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It’s not the burden of society to prove the dangers of the technology we purchase on behalf of the businesses that sell it. We recall consumer products for danger well below the numbers reported in the article above. A vehicle on the road should be held to an even higher standard.

Safety testing has proven that Teslas are incredibly safe - probably some of the safest cars on the road. Both in crash tests and accidents per mile driven. If someone is claiming that there is a safety issue despite the existing data, then yes, the burden of proof moves to them to validate their new claim.