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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by lamontcg »

tbrownaw wrote: post #242
lagniappe wrote: post #218

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> Tell me you're a bad driver without telling me you're a bad driver. > You need to not care about that, and you're actually supposed to let people change lanes into your lane. You're getting into a mental competition with other drivers and sacrificing the safety of yourself and everyone around you. > And if anyone believes that longer following distance causes more traffic, that is also false and the reverse is actu…

... And then you end up just going slower than the rest of the traffic, and people behind you change to the faster lanes to pass you, and some of the people passing you change lanes back to in front of you. And so trying to keep a longer following distance than the rest of traffic allows just means thtey lots of people are doing things other than just staying safely in one lane.

you're better off letting people change lanes to the lane they want to be in, and if you're not camping in the left lane then typically you'll find people changing lanes from the left lane to exit, or will change lanes through yours into the left lane.

if you leave lots of space they can do so entirely safely.

trying to prevent other people from changing lanes does not enhance traffic safety.

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Post by xenadu02 »

olyjohn wrote: post #137
iknowstuff wrote: post #97

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Every customer complaint about unintended acceleration of Teslas was proven in court to be the fault of the customer confusing the pedals. The accelerator pedal has two independent sensors measuring input - they both have to agree, and no input on the brake pedal must be detected for the vehicle to accelerate. They go a step further. They use their cameras to detect the environment and significantly slow down acceler…

It was the same with Toyota too. Car and Driver did an article and summarized the unintended acceleration cases and it turned out most people were intoxicated. Same thing with Audi back in the early 90s. People were pressing the wrong pedals and blaming the car. Audi still lost and Toyota still lost.

Two things can be true at the same time.

1. Most unintended acceleration events are user error across all vehicles. 2. Some small number of Toyota unintended acceleration events were caused by low quality software on the ECU and a very badly implemented watchdog that did not implement brake override or other safety measures.

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

buildbot wrote: post #2

I avoid driving anywhere near Tesla’s, especially tailing them. Phantom braking is not okay.

Any car with regenerative braking is obnoxious, by federal law they aren't required to flash the brake lights when decelerating, ONLY when they're applying the physical brake and not when the car is regenerating, etc.

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Post by hammock »

advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

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Post by mwcremer »

m463 wrote: post #280
jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

I think Elon was thinking that was the way to take cars off the road. own many cars with low utilization vs share fewer cars with high utilization. Personally, I'm surprised that the "Summon" feature wasn't matched by a corresponding "Banish" feature (go away and park yourself)

Seems like this might be a much harder problem? At least it is when I try to find a parking place.

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Post by kortex »

threeseed wrote: post #252
sushid wrote: post #143

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Binocular vision as in human vision? Powered by the human brain? That's vastly different than binocular vision powered by Tesla's rudimentary "AI"

Also our binocular vision is movable unlike cars. Which is how we determine depth when there is occlusion ie. we move our head.

And cars have multiple cameras simultaneously in 360° overlapping coverage. Plus you have motion parallax.

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Post by yuliyp »

misiti3780 wrote: post #29
buildbot wrote: post #2

I avoid driving anywhere near Tesla’s, especially tailing them. Phantom braking is not okay.

phantom breaking isnt a thing in 2023. it used to be a problem, it's not anymore if you have HW3

That's nice, but all of the older cars are still on the road.

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Post by epolanski »

valine wrote: post #33
Pxtl wrote: post #18

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Probably because the world is transitioning to EVs and they have a 5ish year head start over most other automakers. There’s a long list of technologies Tesla has already shipped that other car makers are just beginning to explore. - Structural batteries - The “Octovalve” heat pump - Mega casted car frames - Their custom ML SOC The TSLA market cap is debatable, but their lead is real.

5 years headstart means very little advantage in car industry unless you are developing ICEs.

I don't know if people realize how expensive it is to engineer an engine. Mercedes spent 4B $ to develop their diesel OM654. 4 billions of R&D to build an engine!

EVs don't have the same complexity, barrier of entry is much lower which is why Chinese are doing so well in them, even though they didn't with ICEs.

Auto industry will never be one where margins are good for long, doesn't matter who you are, it's a very expensive, risky low margin business if Tesla inverstors think thei company is immune they are in for a very harsh reality.

This is like investing abc.

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Post by xattt »

kibwen wrote: post #293
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #151

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Elons point on cars being worth 5x as much with self driving shouldn’t be dismissed. If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation.

> If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? Cars depreciate based on distance driven, not on age. A car will need to be serviced every X miles and replaced every Y miles, and these numbers are independent of whether the car is driven one hour a week or forty. In no universe does driving more hours per week increase the va…

Ultra-high mileage vehicles driven over short timeframes where rust doesn’t get a chance to set would probably get into wear-and-tear of structural welds. Something like how airframes are rated for x number of decompression cycles.

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Post by highwaylights »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #151
jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

Elons point on cars being worth 5x as much with self driving shouldn’t be dismissed. If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation.

Even if that reasoning were true, the valuation for Tesla doesn’t make much sense, given they’re not remotely close to a self-driving car in the way that the average customer would understand it.

They’re not delayed by a few years. The problem is intractable, unless you can limit the journey to a controlled scope.

I drive over multiple pathways and grassy lanes a week that aren’t mapped and have no markings. A self-driving car can’t arbitrarily account for something like that any time soon.

Waymo is able to operate a limited route in Phoenix because they restrict to best-case routes.

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